Should I vote Republican to slow down full blown let it all hang out fascism because I don’t want to vote Democrat? I am trying to hack a machine that just needs recycled. What a dusty old thing. I have had it with both. The more both parties go at each other the greater the odds of a environment ripe with revolutionary potential. Like I know things are only going to get worse. Has anyone else thought of being a obstructionist? Like some how I am removed from the material conditions. Voting reminds me of the plaform at 3:10.
Voting obstructionist is valid. Turning in a blank protest ballot is valid. Accelerationism is not valid.
Should I vote Republican to slow down full blown let it all hang out fascism because I don’t want to vote Democrat?
- Evolution means choosing the better option in each case to invoke slow but important beneficial change
- Harm reduction is a great short-term strategy
- There’s absolutely no reason to ever vote the elitist racist party of kiddy-diddlers
- If you’re feeling like not voting, or voting in a way that harms people for no gain ever, then you may be a victim of manipulation by the conservatives so you don’t vote against them. They’re good at this.
Questions asking whether someone should vote in a way that causes harm can sound like a trolling question. I’m sorry if other respondents treat it as such.
You might be exploring ideas near accelerationism. No one is removed from material conditions. If you want to obstruct, it’s best to read theory and then agitate locally.
Pay more attention to smaller more local elections. There’s less “politics” around them and they usually have more of an impact on your day to day life
How does voting republican help anything? They are proud bigots, racists, rapists, pedophiles, and so much more. I understand being frustrated with the democrats for being bought and paid for, but getting in bed with republicans seems incredibly stupid.
The USA is not a democracy is my opinion. Have you seen the platform?
The USA is not a democracy
This question is not relevant: you’re not voting based on how the country is now, or was last week. You’re voting based on how the country should be, each time. You’re picking the least-bad leader out of a small set of options, based on whether they’re even marginally better.
In this case, a LOT of alternatives are better than the current setup, so I don’t understand the dilemma.
…thus, the suspicion about trolling.
Ummmm…which platform? The republicans don’t even really have a platform anymore.
And if you don’t think it is a democracy, why would you vote at all? Still seems like voting republican is the dumbest possible option of all the choices you could make.
eh, both parties have the same platform? are we reading different news outlets? because since i have memory both parties want the same. at least from my pov in the third world, i’ve seen both rape, pillage, destroy, carpet bomb, kill civillians, commit the worst imaginable massacres done by humans. maybe you’re talking about petty little shitty policies in home to keep the proletariat in check? i still don’t see a big difference in their policies. reply to me when the us isn’t trying to slave debt my country.
I agree with everyone else here. What would voting republican accomplish? That’s literally the opposite of what we want right now.
Unless you’re just a troll and this is your poor attempt at rage bait?
It has to be that. I couldn’t arrive at this solution after being hit by a bus made of pure tequila.
Even those theoretical infinite typewriter monkeys couldn’t type something so profoundly stupid.
I’m not American, but I don’t understand how voting for republican would slow down fascism. It would strengthen their position to get more votes, right?
One of the main arguments against voting is that many people are simply too stupid or uneducated to be entrusted with the power to help choose a government. We have compulsory voting in Australia and I support that, but I’m ok with some people being donkeys.
Not voting is how we ended up in the dumpster fire we are in now.
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Voting is better than not voting in my opinion. That being said, this is a topic I would not throw to the internet to help you decide. The way you have written your post you’re opening yourself up to a lot of partisan replies from the good people of both sides that will probably not aid massively in your decision making process.
Good people on both sides? One side is full of Nazis, rapists, bigots. If someone is still happy to be on that side then they aren’t good people.
I should have added /s.
Oh. Fair enough. My opinion of humanity just happens to be very low. And its hard to tell sometimes when people are being serious about things like that. And I am not motivated enough to dig through peoples history to find out. 🤷🏻
I share your view on humanity. I’m glad you said something. Tone is tough to transport online.
This reads as if you heard the lies Holocaust Harris supporters were spewing at leftists back in 2024, took them at their word, and thought the fabricated position was a good thing.
Not my problem
My take, if you don’t vote, you don’t have the right to complain, simple as that.
Why?
Why should voting status be the be all and end all of who gets their grievances taken seriously?
It isn’t the end all and be all, it is the first step. If you don’t take the opportunity given to you to address your grievances, why should you expect others to do it for you?
I would posit that for many in Europe and America voting has not once addressed a single major grievance. What would you say of those who do not vote as it has never proven a real avenue for systemic change in the West and instead organise outside the system? Do they have the right to have their grievances heard?
I don’t accept the premise that voting has never led to change.
You can not accept it all you please and yet under the western capitalist system it remains true.
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Women’s suffrage, the abolition of (chattel) slavery (as the Americans Thirteenth Amendment explicitly preserved involuntary servitude as punishment for a crime, laying the basis for coerced prison labour and the modern prison-industrial complex), the eight-hour working day, the weekend, the dismantling of Jim Crow and legal segregation, the defeat of apartheid in South Africa, partial Irish independence from the British Empire, and universal local-government suffrage and civil rights for the Catholic and nationalist population of Northern Ireland and more. None of these things were voted into existence but won through struggle. Voting under liberal democracy has not once been a real driver of meaningful systemic change.
Maybe they’re talking about something like this Key & Peele sketch?
In history, we learn two things. Either you can work within the system by voting, pressuring the government to change its stance, or striking like the French. Or, you can spark a revolution to change the current order.
If you don’t vote, you’re being passive, like Humpty Dumpty, just looking at the world pass you by without making your mark.
If you don’t vote, you’re being passive
This simply does not follow. Would you call those who work within unions, direct action groups, etc. (avenues that have provably lead to real change while voting in the west never has) passive? Using voting as some grand gauge is immensely flawed (especially given the system in the west where voting is nothing but a spectacle that has no ability to provide systemic change and truly address the major grievances of the masses).
I would expect that people involved in unions and direct action groups to vote on top their other work. It’s the smallest thing you can do, if you can’t do that, why should I trust you to have done anything else?
Because as I posited at the beginning of this exchange many people have come to realise that in the west under the current liberal democratic system voting is nothing more than spectical that provides no real avenue for meaningful change. All that being said I am not against voting just that the idea of taking what is under the current system in the west a meaningless action as the be all and end all of who to take seriously is silly.
