As the Windows 10 EOL date is close I was wondering what fellow Linux users thoughts about it are.
Are you helping open minded people making the switch to Linux? If yes, which distro are you using? Are you using resources like endof10.org?
Or are you using the the opportunity to get your hands on some cheap hardware for your homelab? Are you keeping an eye on special websites or just ebay (or your local equivalent)? Are you talking with local companies to get the hardware directly from them?
Or are you just observing and enjoy your peace of mind because you switched already to Linux before?
Whatever it is, we are very interested to hear your stories concering this interesting time.
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no story, just a VM i rarely use that i wont bother upgrading to the more resource-heavy iteration because i just rarely need to run crappy software.
Transitioned my moms computer to Windows 11, 11 months go. Pretty easy. Her computer was originally for Windows 7 and is still fully supported. Her computer will always be Windows as I’m not local and other people have to be able to support her too. It is also what she knows. I love Linux but it is not for everyone.
Feel you. If you are tech savvy you can debloat Windows for them and get rid of recall and the online accounts.
That’s become increasingly difficult.
There are some good tools to create stripped ISOs and to adjust running installations.
You can strip ISOs of some bloat but you cannot strip M$ out of it , tho. And there’s always a chance an update adds it back in.
I had outlook appear back on one of my laptops after an update. I had removed it ages ago. Some services do the same.
So, are you going to limit updates too? That’ll make it vulnerable.
My point is, it’s just going to be cat and mouse game with “cleaning or stripping” Windows.
See, I run a stripped Windows for playing games that don’t run under linux. I update it regularly and nothing intrusive was re-added by updates. The other systems I use are linux and macOS, with each OS having its purpose.
In acknowledge that Linux is not intrusive and that you have to have PiHoles and other DNS sinkholes for a basic protection, which is hard for regular people. But in the end you have to look at peoples needs and if somebody insists he needs Windows, and you are knowledgeable in IT stuff, make it as secure and clutter free as possible.
It’s a once-off operation if you’re willing to go the LTSC route. Microsoft likes to undo all your hard work debloating Windows with the semi-annual major updates.
Switched to Mint over a year ago from win 10 on my desktop and my wives laptop, we both love it. It was fresh, user friendly and familiar in the same time. To be fair we are pretty much average users without any specialized needs, other than gaming.
Later this year I built a new gaming pc 100% with Linux in mind. I am running Bazzite on it and it works absolutely amazing. Bazzite is currently my favourite distro. Im not a distro hopper or a big tinkerer myself, don’t have time for experimenting, so not planning to switch. It just works perfectly.
I had already dabbled in Linux on and off years back. I already wanted to switch, but I’m a moron at computer stuff, so Linux was always a bit out of reach. Too much to learn and memorize for the basic things I needed it for. (addendum: We’re talking about 25 years ago)
But Win 10 annoyed the piss out of me. Like, to the point of breaking my laptop in a fit of explosive anger. I’m not usually a “throw-the-controller” kind of guy. But that shit got to me.
So around the time Win 11 was first announced, I decided to give Linux yet another shot. And lo and behold, I found Mint. Everything was setup and streamlined exactly for a moron like myself. It was literally easier and more straight forward than Windows.
And with a little bit of reading and copy/pasting commands smarter people than myself have written around the internet, pretty much any problem I’ve encountered have been solved within a few minutes.
So I recommend Mint to anyone looking for alternatives to Win 11.
It has been good to me.
And a big Thank You to all the glorious nerds that take the time to not on only make this, but also take the time to help us hapless dummies fix the small problems we encounter in the process of switching.
I’ve just installed Mint as well. I am, perhaps, slightly more nerdy, but I’m also short on time to tinker with things, so it’s really nice to have a super simple setup process, with stuff like Spotify and discord just a click away. Now I just need to settle on a solution for graphic design/illustration software.
Unfortunately still have to use W11 for some anti-cheat games I play with friends :(
But being forced to update to 11 motivated me to come back to Linux on a PC. I already have a little homelab with all the flavors, but was wondering how it would game on my desktop.
Ultimately went with Debian + KDE on a second SSD, and it’s just awesome. Especially coming from WSL on my desktop, it’s just so seamless.
Had a little trouble getting Nvidia drivers for my relatively new card (Debian’s latest proprietary driver still didn’t support it lol), so I had to use the official Nvidia repo. And it was a little tricky signing it for Secure Boot, but other than that, awesome.
Need to run better side-by-side tests, but it at least feels like a 10% or so performance improvement.
Thank you Linux! And fuck Fortnite, release a Linux port already!
Installed bazzite on my son’s gaming laptop, it works perfectly well and he really likes the ricing.
The bazaar on bazzite is really convenient for the non-power user
Good for him!
I hosted an endof10.org event at my local public library. Advertised like crazy, posting flyers around town, posting online, etc. I had over 30 USB installers ready to go with Debian 13. I was worried that I was advertising too much and wouldn’t have room for everyone.
Only 2 people showed up, and neither were prepared to go through with an install. In a town with well over 70k people and a major university, I expected more.
Now I’m thinking an event like this would only be viable in a major metropolitan area.
In my circle of friends and family, I only knew of one person who was faced with the Windows 10 dilemma, and he chose to purchase new hardware (granted he’s nearly 80 years old).
Yeah nobody in real life really cares about this. Anyone techie enough has already replaced their system and runs Win11, or has already switched to Linux themselves.
Anyone not techie enough doesn’t care and will continue using Win10 (or just follow the Windows nagging and buy a new PC from Best Buy).
Yeah…and I think there’s also a chunk of the non-techie population who are getting by with just their phones now.
Unfortunately the average person doesn’t care about this stuff. Good on you for putting on the time and effort though.
Why Debian? Why not Mint?
No offense, but this question is what is holding many people back that would otherwise be on the fence or ready to go.
If there were just Mac / Windows / Linux, it would be an easy sell.
But we have Mac / Windows / two million Linux flavors.
It does not matter which one you pick, it is bound to cause questions or issues. And once you’ve chosen a Linux flavor, someone asks you why you chose that desktop and not foobar9000 instead which everyone knows runs much better on your Linux flavor anyway.
I honestly think that Linux’ biggest enemy is Linux. Sure, choice is good, but this is too much. Way too much.
While I agree with you, my question implied that Debian might not be the right choice for beginners. It’s not that easy to use compared to Mint that comes with many quality of life features which makes it the perfect introduction to Linux.
All the important software is there, you have all the necessary codecs to play the most popular media files, you have an easy to use software store with a friendly interface, and you don’t have any complicated concepts like immutable or atomic OS.
I understand your frustration. And I agree that choice is an impediment to adoption.
That said, I am not that comment deserved your reply.
As far as I can tell, the OP was only offering one option—Debian. So your concern does not apply there.
And the next comment did not suggest having more options or adding confusing choices either. I think they were ok with offering just one distro. They just wanted to know why the single recommendation was not Mint.
He was not asking a new user why they chose Debian. He was asking the Linux expert why he chose Debian over Mint. Your comment does not seem to apply.
There is nothing wrong with Debian so I certainly think it is an acceptable choice. That said, Mint probably would offer a less jarring transition than Debian for Windows users. Mint defaults to Cinnamon (very Windows like). Debian defaults to GNOME (a less familiar desktop metaphor). Mint also comes with just a few extra tools and touches that can keep new users off the command line (unless they want to go there).
And if you like Debian, LMDE gives you Debian with the Mint GUI and tools.
Honestly, it seems like a fair question.
If you are only going to give them one option, why not one more likely to work for them? Them being everyday Windows users.
And all that said…I do agree that keeping it simple is the most important thing and offering a single recommendation is the right strategy regardless of which distro you choose to recommend.
The crazy thing is that Windows 11 may feel more foreign than Linux Mint would have. It depends what he uses his computer for. My guess is the web and maybe printing.
The EoL doesn’t affect me. I use Linux and Mac. My work pc is windows 10 but that’s their problem.
My roommate refuses to move on. I flat out gave him an old surface pro X with win11 and a spacious new SSD. I offered to migrate him to fedora and teach him how to use it. I offered to help him pick out a new pc if he wants. No, he’ll just keep waiting 20 minutes for his old crusty Dell to boot up, then another 10 to load chrome. For updates, he said he’ll just download hacks as people post them online.
All his shit is on its own VLAN now.
I’ve been using Linux for about 25 years. I completely stopped using Windows at home more than a decade ago.
I do some volunteer work for an organisation that refurbishes old computers and gives them to people who can’t afford one. For the time being we’re using Rufus to bypass TPM and other hardware requirements so we can install Windows 11 on everything.
We’re willing to install Linux for people who want it, but unfortunately I haven’t seen that happen yet. Most of our customers have no idea what an OS is. A lot of people also need Windows for education or work. There’s a free course available that teaches how to use a computer and of course that is also Windows-only.
We helped one of our colleagues to install Mint on his old laptop, though.
For the time being we’re using Rufus to bypass TPM and other hardware requirements so we can install Windows 11 on everything.
Heads up, Microsoft has stated that they do not support machines that don’t meet requirements and that those machines may stop receiving security updates at any time.
installed fedora cinnamon on my grandparent’s laptop a few days ago and got a friend turned from 10 to mint. been using mint on my gaming rig, server and media PCs for over two years. also wife requested mint on her laptop, so no windblows devices left in the house then
Moved family mostly to Zorin. I stay with Tumbleweed.
Keeping Windows on dual boot for some edge cases. For the app or two that doesn’t run with Linux I keep Windows in a virtual machine (which sadly I need once or twice a day).
95% of my daily business runs on Linux.
Now I wish my phone would do that too.
Wth do you need once or twice a day, unless it’s for a niche hobby or work?
Work. Sadly Linux cannot run most Windows Store apps.
And there’s some niche software that runs, but crashes too much for my liking. So unfortunately in these cases: Windows.
Well damn.
My hatred of Windows got so much in the past two years, when I abandoned ship last year for Linux (using Arch btw), I was ready to ditch software that was not available native, without even bothering with trying to run them through Wine. In the end I had to abandon three of my absolute favourite software, totalcmd, notepad++ and foobar2000. Luckily I was able to replace them with nearly similar quality equivalents in Krusader, Kate and DeaDBeeF. Bit less polished, but very configurable.
My work requires me to have a windows based laptop or a Macbook. They’ve told me that they’ve been trying Fedora workstation before, but supposedly the VPN doesn’t work on it. I’ve checked and the VPN expressly supports certain distro, including fedora. But they’ve simply disabled VPN access from non-win/mac based systems since. I suspect there’s either some skill issue or something fishy going on. I know they are monitoring incoming and outgoing files to the system via some tool, which may indeed be not supported on Linux workstations. However the way I use this laptop is simply by accessing it through RDP, and then share files between it and my personal desktop via SMB on LAN, and no one ever complained. I have the lid closed on it all the time. So in essence I just use it like a terminal, and only run work related webportals through a browser on it, like JIRA and shit. Most of my work related to our platform I’m running on my own desktop, because it’s significantly faster.
Not sure what I’d do if I still had to run Windows or even VMs for stuff.
I switched to Linux about a year ago. I was a windows power user and now I’m a Linux noob, but couldn’t be happier.
I hate to say it, but there’s still reasoning to have Windows. I use a VM with ameliorated windows running for the few things I can’t get away from.
For others, I tell them my story. Most people I talk to won’t or can’t make the switch, which I’m respectful of. To those that would benefit, I recommend at the minimum O&O Shutup but highly recommend ameliorated. This has been more welcomed.
People won’t care until they have a reason to care. I’ll still be around when they do.
but there’s still reasoning to have Windows
For sure. There’s a lot of software that’s built for Windows only. I have some Garmin aviation software that only works on Windows or Mac. It’s pretty shit software, but I have to use it, and since I can do windows in a VM, that’s what I use. Similarly, there’s another bit of software I use all the time that’s only built for iPad. So I have an iPad for that app. There’s not always a choice.
I’ve finally swapped over my main personal (gaming) PC 6+ months ago. Should’ve probably done that a lot sooner, but lazy. I knew I wouldn’t upgrade my Win 10 to 11, and didn’t wanna wait until the last minute, but have fallback options and time to distro hop if needed.
I’m not new to Linux at all, as most servers I’m running (personally or in my job) are Linux based. Debian, usually, cause servers. But I haven’t used a Linux desktop in well over 20 years.
My choice fell on CachyOS, as I wanted something pre-configured for performance/gaming/wine, but kinda dislike fedora (rules out Bazzite, Nobara, and actual fedora). Also in the running was PikaOS, but I tried CachyOS first and stuck with it. I had no experience with Arch, but what a brilliant base that turns out to be for me. Love the rolling up-to-date-ness and AUR accessibility. I’m used to having to contort myself to get a more current version of software, possibly compiling from source and screwing with dependencies, but everything is literally just there and up to date. Critically, all games basically just worked. Everything just worked. EXcept all mail programs suck to an unexpected degree, but that is literally my only complaint.
I do use the EoL of win 10 as an opportunity to get people to move over or at least try it out. Depending on their use case, I usually still recommend Mint for non-technical people, mostly because searching for help from a Windows convertee likely finds appropriate solutions. The more technical ones get personalized recommendations, depending on context. For example I do have a colleague who spends half his day complaining about anything Microsoft, but still uses Windows at home, but that is mostly because of a single piece of software (and so far I haven’t been able to get that to run, but haven’t tried very hard yet either).
EXcept all mail programs suck to an unexpected degree, but that is literally my only complaint.
What’s wrong with Thunderbird/Betterbird?
I used windows 10 on my gaming PC for many years. I “upgraded” to 11, and it felt bad. The UI/ux was tolerable, but between the AI features and everything requiring a Microsoft account, it got on my nerves quickly.
I literally just wanted to upgrade the firmware on my Xbox one controller (so it’d work in Linux…) and that forced a login. At that point I logged in, upgraded my controller, formatted as ext4, and now I rarely look back.
Every once in a while a game will crash or not be playable on Linux, but I’d trade that for being in control of the hardware I’ve spent thousands on over the years.
Very happy with bazzite on my htpc and a kde based distro on my main computer. I pop over to my MacBook for casual computing, but for the real stuff I’ll never use windows again (barring being forced by future employers)
Or are you just observing and enjoy your peace of mind because you switched already to Linux before?
Yes, that. As far as my circle of friends and acquaintances who are running Win10 are concerned, I’ve made the effort to advise them to switch to something newer for security reasons. They will probably switch to Windows 11, but that is their concern.
