Didn’t think of that
That’s very likely true

But it’ll be a great show to watch

eh… 60-70% chance I’d guess.
So maybe probably?

What’ll be hilarious, is when they file a class action suit to get their money back. That’ll be gloriously delicious

Sorry… It got busy at work. I don’t care anymore

So of the 3 examples I gave you ignored 2 and claim one doesn’t count.

Go back to my first comment.
That was never what we were talking about.

Well I use AI every day in Photoshop and Lightroom. AI tools are common and extremely useful in all sorts of media production already.

Science is using it on modeling of protein folding, and large dataset analysis. I personally know one person using AI tools to analyze fMRI data in a study.

News media uses it in formulaic articles in finance and sports. They’ve been doing that with specialized software for a decade or more already.

Those are just a few places where it is a useful productive tool. I’m sure there are many more. Is that what you’re asking for?

It’s not worth this level of investment. That’s what a bubble is. We agree on that.

But long after the bubble pops. 20 years from now. Will AI disappear? Will it be a joke people tell? Or will it be as important to the world as the internet is today?

I’m saying it’s both a bubble, and an important lasting technology. It’s not a binary choice.

But implications are all I need.
It’s either transformative or a fad.
It’s already transformed media, education, advertising, politics, and more.
Do you think once the bubble pops, AI will just disappear like Pogs?
Even when the datacenters go dark, the tech will still be here, still be used. Eventually it will find its natural place in a new world.

I’m not saying it’s not a bubble. It absolutely is. Everything you’re saying is true. It will fall, and hard. I’ve put 10s of thousands of dollars on it being soon. But after the dust clears AI will still be used, and has already changed the world. How much more it’ll change is the only question.

That difference doesn’t matter to my point.
They were still transformative technologies that started as bubbles.

Many people are hoping—nay, praying—that the potential AI bubble will burst soon.

But to hear Google tell it, generative AI is the future,

Both of those are true.
In the late 90s the internet was a bubble.
In the 1800s railroads were a bubble.

All new transformative technology goes through an initial bubble phase. People recognize it’s potential before that it’s fully understood. They over invest for a time, realise they were doing it wrong, the boubble pops, a few remain, and the transformative tech is figures out and changes everything.

That’s the only way I can imagine it working.

People frequently confuse privacy with anonymity. Proton never claims you can’t be identified. Only that your communications are as private a possible. Though they provide tools for you to ensure your anonymity if that’s important to you.

When you say MAGA guy, do you mean that one time he said a single little policy of Rumps, might possibly not be terrible for everyone? Does that make him MAGA?

Am I MAGA for not hating the Space Force, because it gave us 2 seasons of a fun comedy show?

Yes. All that’s true when using a 3rd party AI engine.
That’s why Proton is running their own, in house. The AI still needs plain text. But they can ensure everything is isolated and private.

Of course they have to keep some basic account data. And I think the last IP you logged in from. Also email data outside the BODY can’t be encrypted. That’s just how email works. So law enforcement can get all of that if they convince a Swiss court to order Proton.

But no they don’t keep or turn over anything that isn’t technically required for the service to work. I don’t know what you’d expect.

You’re not saying “I don’t know”. If you assume they’re lying, you’re also making a claim. One you can’t back up in this case.

And another place your confused, Proton isn’t a typical corporate structure. It’s owned by a non-profit, almost charity, effectively. One who’s board of trustees is entirely scientists and engineers. Assuming they’ll operate the same way a publicly traded corporation would is a big category error.

No, I haven’t felt the need.

Again, do you have any links with evidence to the contrary?

All the various 3rd party audits can be found here.

Can you give me to a link to your source they’re lying about it?

Not the real world. Just your imagination.

Corporations lie for profit. Where’s the profit for Proton in keeping peoples AI queries, when they’ve been proven to not keep any other data? Literally they have nothing to gain, and everything to loose.

Skepticism and pessimism aren’t the same thing. And baseless pessimism is just jaded. Jaded is the dark equivalent of naivety. They’re both equally simplistic ignorance.