My question aims to know what kind of procedures did the Chinese government (allegedly) take since 2014 in Xinjiang, and why to begin with. And what can we know about the region in the current time, like can a random tourist go and see with their own eyes the truth, and maybe film it ?

There are Youtube videos and a Wikipedia page “documenting” human rights infringements, while China and the Marxist forums deny anything harmful. Now that almost nobody is bringing it up, I want to know what was legitimately documented. Investigating the origins and later developments of the case on my own would be so hard.

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    I guess it can’t be helped with the tone of your answers. I can’t deny your evidence, but it is really weird that they serve wine “traditionally !?”.

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      Silk road cultures often made wine, much of the region is arid and carefully cultivated through shared ancient techniques, often from Persia. Not all muslims avoid alcohol, including those from grapes, if that is what you are thinking. In fact, among islamophobes in the West, a presumption of complete avoidance is used to bully and harass muslims. Of course those islamophobes deserve any bad things that come their way.

      You may be familiar with Shiraz, for example. This is a Persian style of wine whose production has been banned since the revolution, but the entire eastern area from Iean and beyond has often made and drank wine, including muslims. Though it was not just Persia where muslims in the middle east produced and consumed wine. Many scholars wrote of doing so and of leaders partaking.

      Many people know only modern Maghreb and western Middle Eastern cultural practices but these are not all universal for muslims.

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        leaders partaking doesn’t mean it stops being a sin, it is a common occurrence in Islamic history that leaders lean to forbidden earthly pleasures —> the state gets unjust and weak --> falls. And you can find a scholar’s opinion that makes anything acceptable by now, I wouldn’t take that “many” is an accurate use of the word here. The idea of “Islam ==> wine is forbidden” is not Islamophobia, harassment is bad of course. Of course not that I’m saying “drinks wine to intoxication ==> out of Islam”, it is a matter of jurisprudence, not theology.
        TL;DR: Common Khomeini W.

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          The knee-jerk assignment of never drinking alcohol is an actual islamophobic trope and is used by people unaware of the diversity of thought I described that goes far beyond a handful of past leaders.

          I’m bored with your selective and bad faith responses. Please do self-criticism on how to be honest in conversation, as you are not responsive when I point it out.