I don’t know if I’m going crazy but looking at the current situation in the world … please tell me that I’m overexagurating

  • chaosCruiser@futurology.todayEnglish
    17·
    3 days ago

    In 2001 there was that 9/11 thing and it sounded like WW3 had just started. Turns out, it didn’t. Well, lots of things did happen as a result of it, but WW3 wasn’t one of them. Soon after that, USA was involved in a number of wars in the middle east and it felt like WW3 had just started. Again, it didn’t. Some time around 2010s the tension between North Korea and South Korea was getting pretty intense, and a friend of mine started talking WW3… As usual, WW3 didn’t start.

    At the moment, the situation in Ukraine feels just like all the other major incidents, but we’ll see how it works out. If you expose your mind to tabloid journalism, it begins to feel like the entire world is about to explode. History has a tendency of repeating itself, so I suggest reading about the things that lead to WW1 and WW2. Once, you’ve done that, you’ll begin to pay attention to certain signs and start ignoring most of the nonsense tabloids keep writing about.

    • tetris11@lemmy.ml
      12·
      4 days ago

      That’s just survivorship bias, you didn’t live through the worlds where all those things escalated into flat out war.

      Dimension skipping hippie!

        • tetris11@lemmy.ml
          2·
          3 days ago

          think about all your parallel selves that you doomed to fiery fate with your picky antics

          • chaosCruiser@futurology.todayEnglish
            2·
            1 day ago

            There are infinitely many ways to live a nice life and infinitely many ways to suffer. Every possibility happens and is equally real and important. If you save one universe from a horrible doom, there are always more that will suffer an even worse fate.

            The multiverse is a truly vast place, so anything you do or don’t do is less than a drop in the ocean. What matters is how your decisions and interactions affect you.

  • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    4·
    3 days ago

    You’re not overexagerating, the property crisis in the imperial core is becoming so severe that there are only 2 solutions, either the people rebel against its ruling class or they side with them and engage in yet another settler project. In my honest opinion, the latter seems like the most probably outcome, its already very advanced in Palestine and its starting in Syria.

  • bradorsomething@ttrpg.network
    53·
    3 days ago

    I am personally looking for a few things that will concern me about escalation:

    • Japan and Finland making active land claims to Russia (actively reoccupying disputed land with troops)

    • Europe putting peace keepers in Western Ukraine (which will create a casus belli for war with Russia), specifically France and the UK. I mean, Poland as well, but if Poland says they are putting peacekeeping troops in Ukraine, Russia should either back off or assume war.

    • South Korean troops in Ukraine. (Ridiculous given their current chaos, but stranger things have happened in the last year).

    Other than that, the russian frog has been very well boiled for 3 years. Even China has probably gone back to the drawing board on a taiwan invasion, and added a delay until 10 millions drones are available.

    I do have concerns trump will pull the us back in europe, making the second item above possible if not likely. The first trump presidency shook us primacy in europe, and the second may see it start to unravel. If europe has to take russia alone, the us should consider china a personal problem from now on (as well as any other concerns not near europe), as no one will see value in going to war with a fair-weather ally.

    • guy@piefed.socialEnglish
      8·
      3 days ago

      <i>Finland making active land claims to Russia (actively reoccupying disputed land with troops)</i>

      I can guarantee you that there is no territory the Finns would try to reclaim from Russia. The Continuation war pretty much sated any future thought to regain territory seized by the Soviet Union

    • Lorindól@sopuli.xyz
      4·
      3 days ago

      Finland won’t make any claims. This much is certain.

      The only way we would even consider restoring the stolen lands would be IF the Russian Federation falls and IF the initiative for reunification would come from the Karelian Republic.

        • Lorindól@sopuli.xyz
          1·
          2 days ago

          That was pretty wild development, yes. But still, we will not make any territorial claims. Doing so would effectively render the protection provided by NATO’s Article 5 null. We would once again be alone against a nuclear power with much larger resources than we could ever have.

          So we won’t be doing that.

    • jsomae@lemmy.ml
      1·
      2 days ago

      Can you link me to more information about there being south korean troops in ukraine? I knew about the north korean troops.

  • folaht@lemmy.ml
    2·
    4 days ago

    I would say world war is still years away, but if SK in your name means slovakia then comfort yourself that you might find yourself in the early BRICS block vs US empire wars, so hopefully it’ll be over without too much war in your country soon.

  • Hubi@feddit.org
    984·
    4 days ago

    please tell me that I’m overexagurating

    You’re overexaggerating.

  • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    43·
    4 days ago

    Nah, there won’t be WW3. Instead we get countries sabotaging each other via hacking critical infrastructure, proxy wars, propaganda, trade wars.

    I doubt there will ever be a direct “hot war” between the top five nuclear powers ever again.

    WW3 is not what’s gonna kill people, climate change is more likely gonna be humanity’s downfall.

  • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
    292·
    4 days ago

    The situation today is nowhere near as bad as the Cold War.

    Think of it this way. All of the 0.01%ers in china, USA and Russia share the same tastes and values. Think any of them are really hot to blow up their nice places on the Rivera?

    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
      4·
      4 days ago

      Yeah, I’d tend to agree. The war is digital and economic. Countries are hacking each other’s infrastructure and commercial systems, mass propaganda and spying with troll farms, tiktok and even hardware. Plenty of fighting with sanctions, tariffs, bans of sales of technology.

      Fighting for land right now is really unnecessary, however depending on how well humanity survives climate change I’d expect to see some arguments going in to drilling and mining places like Greenland, the arctic and antarctic. China is already setting up shop in Antarctica.

      We are also all tied together economically in so many different ways that a war between major powers would be economically devastating for everyone before the first shot is fired, particularly for the countries that ceded most of their production to other countries that might be hostile in war.

  • SparrowHawk@feddit.itEnglish
    122·
    4 days ago

    I think that the true world war 3 will not be nations against nations, but citizens against their own nations. The stage is set for an actual paradigm shift or system annihilation. We will not support civilization if it doesn’t change, either the people destroy the pyramid or the pyramid will destroy the world.

    • Danitos@reddthat.com
      107·
      4 days ago

      I kinda doubt that will happen. For instance, look at Venezuela: Venezuelans are beyond fed up with Maduro’s dictatorship, but there’s nothing they can do against the government forces.

      Governments will do anything they can to prevent a paradigm change.

      • DancingBear@midwest.social
        81·
        4 days ago

        Venezuela has been hurt by sanctions because the government was helping the people. The wealthy people of Venezuela don’t like the government because it is more socialist.

        • Danitos@reddthat.com
          14·
          3 days ago

          It is the poorer population that suffers the most. That’s the reason Venezuela has such a big emigration crisis, and every latinamerican country has also seen such a massive influx of poor emigrants. I experience this firsthand, almost daily.

          It is not rich people that the militia constantly murders/kidnap.

          • DancingBear@midwest.social
            41·
            3 days ago

            It’s also difficult to get an honest picture of what is happening there as pretty much all western media has blatantly supported the more than a dozen coup attempts by the USA since 2000 alone. Folks who are able to get out are also biased in one way or another. We can empathize with their lived experience and try to help the immigrants without taking their personal experience to be the absolute truth of the experiences of all Venezuelans. But again, most of the issues that affect the citizens are directly caused by US sanctions, not Maduro or the government.

            I can believe that the poor folks would suffer the most so I can’t disagree with you there, but Venezuela is a bad comparison to make, per your original comment I posted to, as far as the point you were trying to make on the orginal thread topic.

            • Danitos@reddthat.com
              41·
              3 days ago

              It is not my intention to be rude. I’m from Colombia, follow Venezuela’s status closely (from media on a broad range of the political spectrum) see Venezuelan emmigrants daily and have met quite a few Venezuelans, and yet Lemmy is the only place I’ve ever seen with people really convinced that Venezuelans love Maduro, and the current situation of the country is because of the sanctions.

              It feels almost surreal, and reminds me when some people on Reddit were convinced they knew better than me what’s my country’s political status, all while mistakenly calling the country “Columbia”.

              I’m not trying to argue that you should blindly trust my opinions here, but really, really, Venezuela is in a bad spot, nobody likes Maduro’s dictatorship, and the sanctions are not the main causes of any of that (but they do help). Either that or somehow almost everybody in whole Latin American has a very biased opinion from first-hand experiences, and only people from other continents can see that.

              • DancingBear@midwest.social
                41·
                3 days ago

                It’s laughable to argue that the main source of their economic issues are not the sanctions.

                This tells me that you are not arguing in good faith.

                You being from Columbia and having met a few Venezuelan immigrants is anecdotal evidence.

                I also am friends and know some Venezuelan immigrants.

                If someone who went to Harvard and has a trust fund leaves the United States and they tell foreigners what it was like for them growing up, how similar to the average American is their experience… not very similar at all…

                We can help the guy from Harvard but his lived experience is not the absolute truth of all Americans……

                This is what I mean.

                Likewise, if someone was born an orphan in a bankrupt church, their lived experience is not all Americans lived experience…

                Edit: it’s also somewhat reasonable to assume that maduro supporters would not be leaving the country

                • Danitos@reddthat.com
                  1·
                  1 day ago

                  You missed the entire point of the comment by incorrectly calling my country “Columbia”. I don’t even know what to say.

                  Let’s not waste any of our time and go ask in any Venezuelan forum about the topic.

                • guy@piefed.socialEnglish
                  12·
                  3 days ago

                  Nice dodging of all points in the previous post!

                  Just a thought but in democracies people don’t tend to emigrate when the “other side” wins the election.

      • Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca
        61·
        4 days ago

        What revolution really takes is soldier’s that are protecting the system being unwilling to kill when the “rebels” are their family and friends.

        If soldiers have love for the people and see common cause more than they fear their leaders then the leader can fall.

          • Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org
            3·
            3 days ago

            Wasn’t their current president a bus driver who rose up through politics? I had seen a mention of that in some online discussion.

            Also, that the USAmerican govt has issues with Venezuela nationalising their oil and acting as a competitor to the petro-dolla system

            So would they just be a adversary country, which may likely be conservative, rather than a dictatorial one?

            • guy@piefed.socialEnglish
              23·
              3 days ago

              Bus drivers can be dictators as well. It’s less about the person and more about the political situation. In Venezuelas case oppression of the opposition and unfair elections

        • Danitos@reddthat.com
          24·
          3 days ago

          Yeah, the rigged ones lol. There’s even mathematical evidence of it being rigged, with votes accounting for exact percentages with just 2 decimal places, for every single candidate.

          Venezuela hasn’t publish the official acts, nor let international observers be present in the elections. There was heavy repression on elections day as well, plus some offices not letting people vote.

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
        4·
        3 days ago

        Westerners sure do seem to think they know the feelings of citizens of other countries better than those citizens themselves.

    • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      11·
      3 days ago

      Paint me a picture of what you think that looks like. Here’s my painting: Everybody marches on their capitals, everyone gets gunned down with 30mm cannonfire, the Americans are gunned down holding pistols and rifles everyone else is gunned down holding pitchforks and torches.

      • qpsLCV5@lemmy.ml
        1·
        2 days ago

        who’s doing the gunning? we dont have that many combat robots yet, and i still have hope that communication is open enough and most people aren’t too brainwashed to realize firing on your own countrypeople is bad.

        but we better do sonething before these change.