That’s the real linux user story.
We come for the speed, flexibility, FOSS values … but we STAY for the middle mouse paste.
I don’t understand how one can accidentally paste with the middle-click, but I can see in this thread that it happens. I was very much against this change but now I need to see stats. Are there any?
I use a lot of graphics programs which use middle click drag to pan around. Figma for example constantly pastes whatever random text I forgot is in my clipboard
Happens all the time.
I occasionally use middle mouse paste, but I switched my partner over from Windows recently and they were used to scrolling by holding MMB and dragging which seems to be the default on Windows…
I expected there to be a toggle to turn off middle mouse paste but there just wasn’t. I had to go into multiple different places to disable it and enable autoscroll for all their apps. I ended up installing a hacky tool that would just clear the clipboard whenever MMB was pressed.
If anything can make this process easier, I’m all for it.
GNOME really seems to be targeting some mythical user who is tech savvy enough to install Linux, is likely running Windows currently, wants their new operating system to feel like MacOS but is also helplessly confused by any settings/customizability or the smallest change in behavior from other operating systems.
I don’t generally see recommendations for new users/less tech savvy to use GNOME anymore since there are plenty of DEs that behave closer to what they’re already used to and it feels like most of the enthusiasts have largely abandoned it already. I just don’t understand who they think this is for. Just baffling decision after baffling decision
Fucking finally
I hope everyone else follows soon. If you like it when you are trying to open a link on a new tab and your system randomly decides to spew a selection from another app into a random text box you are free to configure that yourself. Remember to configure in a cilice wrapping your thigh while you are at it, it’s unix-compliant and has been around for centuries.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve accidentally pasted random private stuff from that goddamn middle click into WEB PAGES! Things that can read whatever text you type without having to explicitly submit anything. It’s a horrible thing for a new user to discover by accident. It’s such an unexpected feature to new users, and no one gets told about it, ever. You simply discover it by accident.
This is a good change, not having it on by default.
To all the haters of this idea, god forbid we make Linux less weird by default for people migrating from Windows.
All that said, I have learned to love select-to-copy and middle-click paste. Especially in the terminal.
Until this article I didn’t even know you could middle-click paste.
I’ve done it countless times by mistake in Discord when trying to scroll through a channel…
This. Only correct comment in the entire thread. Rest are people who probably don’t even use computers and have no idea what a mouse is.
Haha same, never thought of it as a problem to be fixed but see no reason to stop having it as the default, Ctrl+Shift+V works same as middle click to paste in terminal.
Yeah, I use that, too. It might differ from DE to DE, but in KDE, there’s the normal clipboard, and then there’s the one for selections and middle-click. They don’t share the same contents by default, but you can enable that.
And that is the exact reason that was given in the gnome merge request. A user being able to accidentally paste a bunch of text they didnt even know they’d copied incredibly design.
I use middle click paste all the time, but the title is misleading and clickbaity. At least on GNOME’s side they’re discussing about disabling it by default, not completely. While this is annoying as long as the setting isn’t going away I’m fine with that and I understand the reasoning behind it.
Reminds me of LWN and the end of the Rust experiment.
Highlight->Middle paste has been my friend for decades now. Using it from SunOS in the 90-s to now has been a great feature. It’s the quickest way to copy and paste while I’m working fast with text or data entry.
I love having both clipboards be functional. The latest rounds of tools that have stopped being as compatible with it has been no end of problems in my workflow. I’ll copy with the keyboard, highlight some text and then paste both clipboards somewhere else.
No, using the keyboard here isn’t as fast, don’t bother making that argument, especially since ctrl-c means different things in different places on Unix style systems. Left hand stays home row while the right is forced to leave for the mouse since it’s a GUI.
I’ve had to deal with many tools that don’t respect keyboard cut/paste as well. Add in that some tools like putty or git bash on windows have ctrl-ins for paste?
Panning in CAD/design is usually click and hold middle or even a two button system (freecad), so trying to take a middle click for that isn’t buying uniformity.
The copy/paste world is already fractured enough. Keep the highlight/middle click working so we can go fast. I might be a dinosaur, but I’m a fast dinosaur.
reading these comments had me wondering if i was the only dinosaur around. lol
https://piefed.social/comment/9549428 They don’t want to disable it, just not make it on by default.
As a new migrating user looking to escape Bill Gates bullshit middle click paste was really confusing as I wanted middle click to remain consistent with screen panning, like panning a camera in blender or panning a canvas in gimp. Had to run through a few guides to disable middle click paste. I was surprised there wasn’t an option to enable/disable globally. Having an option will help other noobs like myself ditch Mac/windows for Linux and maintaining a familiar workflow.
Don’t you touch my middle paste!
It would be fucking GNOME
Please don’t fuck a gnome, that’s very impolite
The essence of the article:
The discussions, visible in Mozilla’s Phabricator revision D277804 and a linked GNOME gsettings-desktop-schemas merge request, focus on disabling the traditional primary selection paste by default.
Mozilla proposes changing the default behavior of the Firefox browser on Unix builds so that pressing the middle mouse button no longer pastes text by default.
The functionality will be there and can be enabled. The reasoning:
The author of the revision frames the current behavior as a source of confusion and accidental pastes, especially when users press the middle button without expecting the clipboard contents to be inserted into text fields.
To have it as ab option, great. I believe KDE already has this? Computers should work the way the user wants it, so a middle click should do what the user wants it to do.
Removing it completely would be insanity
Mozilla are still using Phabricator?! That stopped being maintained in 2021…
But why? Then the users thinks “huh, weird” and goes on.
I’ve seen that countless times with people that are less technical.
It’s very easy for a user to accidentally paste private or sensitive information somewhere dangerous if theyre unaware of this feature.
The FreeDesktop specification refers to this feature as an “easter egg”, and something like this should absolutely not be an easter egg.
This change would mean disabling it by default and adding a settings entry that actually explains it, making sure users are informed before they can accidentally use it.
Then that could be solved by displaying a message the first time GNOME is launched, not by disabling it. This will just break workflows for quite a lot of people.
It will break their workflow for a few seconds before they change the setting back. Or they could read the changes before installing a major update and change it before even doing anything.
Maybe in the future it will be added to the initial setup guide along with stuff like choosing if you want mouse acceleration, but I really dont think its that big a deal.
“read the changes before installing a major update”
As if people have the time to read the changelogs for every single package all the time… 🙄
This is pretty important on a server to avoid disruptions and outages, but people have other things to do.
And once it is no longer on and has become a setting, they can just remove the setting and force people to drop gsettings and then remove it completely.
They could also instead ask people on first launch. Some people enable telemetry, so they will find out how many people prefer to keep it, which I bet will be most.
I don’t understand what the problem here is. But why the option exists? If someone does not care, then why would someone have any say in such an option? You can’t enforce people to care.
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This is one of the most useful things in Xorg, and prior to that in X11. If you (generic you, not anyone in particular here) don’t know about it it’s because you come from too long time on “my users are stupid” operating systems. It’s one of those things that once you have it in muscle memory you use it without even thinking about it.
Have I mis-pasted things? Yes. Have l pasted my password in an IRC channel? Yes. Would I stop using it because once every few months I make a mistake? Not at all.
Make it configurable, if you must, but leave us old timers work the way we have done for 30 years or more. There are already some software/ toolkits that disable it, so it is likely doable on a per-app basis.
Gratuitous “old man yells at clouds” rant: people should be forced to use a VT52 for one year before being granted GUI privileges, especially if you work with network hardware.
I’ll crawl back in my cave now.
It seems to me that having a mouse button defaultly paste the contents of the keyboard without the inclusion of a modifier key is just a bad idea.
As you said, you have pasted the wrong thing by accident because it’s one button press.
It just seems to me that by default pasting text should not be done by a single button press anywhere where your hand rests, like a mouse or the center of a keyboard. I’m not saying people shouldn’t be able to make it’s a configurable option, options are good, but it is not a good default.
It already is configurable, theyre just defaulting it to off. You will be able to turn it back on.
This is one of the most useful things in Xorg, and prior to that in X11.
X11 is the last version of Xorg, not sure what you meant there.
Make it configurable, if you must, but leave us old timers work the way we have done for 30 years or more.
It was configurable and will stay configurable. The intent is to change the default.
Personally I support the change, but that might be because of my adhd making me click on the mouse wheel every 0.1 seconds.
It’s been some time… Before Xorg there was Xfree86, and before that the various implementations by the other Unix vendors. Does that make sense?
Yeah, I just had some misconceptions Xorg and X11. A few googling sessions later I’m all caught up though, I think.
Thank you for pointing that out in a calm way, on the internet.
X11 is a protocol that Xorg implements
I like my middle paste, so long as it isn’t gone for good I’m happy. Having 2 clipboards is also nice
Why is this a thing? I’ve never wanted a feature less…
Because it is awesome. So useful, and fast.
Middle paste, like many features, can be used to increase productivity. It’s normal. A better question would be why doesn’t Windows have it? It makes no sense to dumb down Linux to the level of Windows, just when people are leaving Windows because the user experience is so bad. Sure, make it an option in Settings. So people can continue to use it if they want. But there are many things worth utilising to save clicks on both Windows and Linux. Get to know them, if you want to get on with things.
People can’t and won’t use it because it sucks. Middle mouse click is for two things:
- open in a new tab
- scroll/pan
See how they’re both navigation related? Because the mouse is a navigation tool, not a text tool.
A keyboard is a text tool, all pasting should reside on the keyboard. Eagle-eyed readers may notice that there are actually letters on all the buttons they keep mashing at random, those letters are a hint that the keyboard may be used for text-related operations.
Windows sucks now, but it won desktops for a very good reason initially and as Linux is making inroads into personal computing, there are no reasons it can’t learn lessons from why that was the case.
Old Linux GUIs suck and the user experience in general absolutely sucks on anything before Debian 8. Gnome classic was nuked because it sucked, and new Gnome was an improvement in every way, and it was only very recently that KDE got to a similar level of polish.
No one is saying the feature should be completely removed, just like KDE’s insane defaults of “Peek at desktop” in the bottom right instead of “minimize all windows”, it just needs to be hidden somewhere because 99% of users don’t expect a computer to work this way and with good reason.
Leave the legacy toggle in for people who cut their teeth on OSes made by companies that went bankrupt shortly after making them and expect all computers to work like that until the end of time.
Heck - just for them, create a separate clipboard that always holds the user’s nudes and dedicate left mouse click to a shortcut that emails them to their dad for all I care, because it’s how it worked on a random hack of AmigaOS they used in the 1800s, I don’t care, just leave us out of it.
