There is a lot of propaganda for Fedora these days. Something I see much less frequently for Arch and its derivatives. Isn’t that meme based on old facts?
It’s not propaganda. Fedora’s just that good. Been using it since 2019 myself. Never felt the need to distrohop after.
Opposite experience from me. I feel at home with Debian and Arch but there was always something wrong with Fedora.
I’ve been running cachyOS for the last few months…
i’ve heard a bunch of people talking about cachyos
i use endeavour os, and when i get my pc back (i moved and haven’t been able to build it yet) i’m planning on installing base arch
so, what are the upsides to cachyos?
As a gaming-oriented distro, CachyOS is ready to use right out of the box. It’s similar to Endeavor, but goes a few steps further with its opinions. I’d still be using it if it weren’t for AUR’s serious malware problems.
The funny thing for me is I swapped to fedora after my last attempt to use arch failed spectacularly.
I’ve found I’m at a point where I just want my device to work and work well
Just means your over 25
/me a 42 year old that uses Arch
I take that personally.
/me adjusts my knee high socks.
42 and wearing long socks like that? You need help bud’
Once you hit 40 your knees need all the help they can get.
Lol I’m close. Not quite there yet but looks like my linux habits have a head start
If it works, don’t try to fix it
Arch is for new users, experienced ones use Gentoo
Neither one of those will put hair on your chest, Saddle up NixOS, that’ll make you want to stab people in the eye… still fun tho
If Nix wasn’t binary (at least it was last time I checked.
Dunno, it never seemed too interesting to me.
Calm down there Satan.
echo 'os-distro/gentoo -satan' >> /etc/portage/package.use emerge -yvuDN @world
Almost every interaction with a boomer involving their computer/phone
The zoomers and gen-alpha aren’t doing much better. Just ask the average teen what a filesystem is and how to find a file without it being organized in some sort of media gallery app.
As a millennial, I often feel like I’m surrounded by tech illiterates on both the upper AND lower sides of my age bracket.
You are absolutely right
It’s dumb as hell to most here, but ordinary users their own ideas on what a desktop should look like that often doesn’t agree with the intelligentsia. Just let them have it.
The computer in the picture is infected with adware
I don’t get distro hopping
There are better uses for your time
But hey, do as you want
Yeah at some point they are all the same to me it’s just the different package manager. Pacman, apt, yum or whatever they are calling it now a days.
Most use systemd.
I started using Arch flavors because when you have brand new hardware the latest kernel can be important. After the machine is a couple years old it doesn’t really matter.
Also Endeavouros is where it’s at (but don’t tell the vanilla Arch people, they won’t help me with my problems if they find out)
Agreed. After years of Ubuntu (who remember single digits?) Endeavour OS really knocked it out of the park on my new laptop. Everything smooth as butter, out of the box. Hibernation works on a bleeding edge device. No tearing. HDR works. VRR works. YouTube 4k 60fps no drops. Games run beautifully.
Okay, some BT issues, and the Wifi card is crap, and I don’t know how much of this is due to having an AMD graphics vs NVIDIA. But it’s sooo damn smooth. Games just work. KDE plasma >>>> gnome, and I say that as a gnome user since canonical killed unity.
Don’t get me started on the arch ecosystem and documentation. yay 😁
Just do what you’ve been wanting to do for a long time
they are all the same
If anyone is interested in something different, I could recommend Guix. No systemd. The package manager works different than your typical
apt.
I think when you first get into Linux it’s a valid thing. you want to find the distro that you’re most comfortable with.
When I first started using linux I tried them all and eventually just settled on Arch because it felt right to me. That being said I don’t knock anyone who uses whatever. A good friend of mine online uses Slackware and he loves it, it works for him. There’s no “wrong” distro, it’s whatever works for you. you have to initially hop around though to find that though.
Also distro hopping is great when it comes to helping people, especially new linux users. I’ve made many friends within the community because for a solid year I just hopped all over the place and tried to learn it all.
See the world, they said…
What is grass and why should I touch it?
Lol, The grass is kind of okay but that brake glowing thing in the sky can f right off
It causes cancer so how good is it really
I switched from Ubuntu to Debian when I got pissed about something.
But it’s not a hop, more like a leisurely walk 😀
Unpopular opinion: I love Ubuntu. No, I don’t use snaps at all. I have an Nvidia GPU and it’s literally the only OS working out of the box. Yes I tried Debian, I’m too busy to fiddle with drivers. No, I can’t get rid of the GPU, I depend on it for critical workflows. I love the minimalism of Gnome. Never liked KDE/Cinnamon honestly, they’re too busy for my tastes. For 15 years I’ve tried other distros and I’m always back on Ubuntu. I’ll ride the purple penguin to my grave.
Downvotes only please.
It certainly seems like public opinion changed the tast ten years or so. As an ubuntu user, could you confirm or deny these claims I’ve seen? One is that firefox is a snap even if you try to install it with apt. Another is that they show ads to get paid ubuntu in the terminal output?
True and true.
If you do a minimal install, it will still force apt to install snapd and snaps for certain packages, including Firefox. It can be worked around, but it’s very hard to keep snaps out of your system. This is why I dumped Ubuntu and never looked back. Fedora is my happy place, now.
I can confirm them both. I’m considering moving to Debian because of this.
You can uninstall snap and use flatpak for those apps but it was a slap in the face when Firefox suddenly was replaced by a snap through apt
Oh that’s a bit underhand, especially when they must be well aware that snap can be unpopular.
You got me there, firefox is the only snap I really use. Probably can be removed and replaced with apt version but honestly I don’t care much. I tend to clean reinstall frequently and I leave as much in the default setup as I can.
If it works, it works. But it does cause me to have another step to update everything, which is slightly annoying. And yes I don’t like Canonical’s insistence on snaps. I just try to avoid them really.
Ads, certainly never seen them.
If you really like Ubuntu, Linux mint Ubuntu version comes with the snap defaults removed.
I really liked Ubuntu back when the color scheme was more brown/orange, it seemed so friendly. The last ten years I’ve been on Debian though, but LMDE seems interesting.
LMDE is great, it’s what I recommend to all new Linux users. Lots of tiny things that remove friction, like not requiring Sudo for apt and showing stars when typing a password.
I with they would align LMDE with regular Mint in one aspect though, that there would be an out of the box btrfs layout that matches what Timeshift expects (iirc @ and @home?) which is different from how debian and therefore LMDE sets it up automagically. Maybe this has changed in recent years.
I’ve had 0 problems out of Debian since bookworm.
That said, I daily drive Nix and use Ubuntu LTS for servers because I’m too lazy to keep up with it otherwise.
I thought Canonical got on board with spying ages ago. May I do not recall correctly.
Historically they have had a lot of funding problems. There’s been at least two or three times where they’ve partnered with somebody for marketing opportunies. And the egregious things were over a decade ago now. They decide to market with somebody, put an ad in there default desktop, or install a default application, or collect user data from dash, being open source it’s been noticed immediately and they end up rolling it back. Hell, it’s the reason half the forks exist.
Sure, people still get edgy about everything they do at this point but realistically they’ve not been all that bad. But I wouldn’t trust them with closed source for a second.
At current I think they’re only collecting some super basic user information and it is opt out. And to me from a server standpoint I don’t really care what they’re doing at the desktop level. I don’t even really care about snaps because I’m not installing anything on that box that would use snaps. It’s like firewall, kubernetes, and some monitoring tools. They’re not doing command line spying on my kubectl.
They’re a good choice for a headless server. They’ve got a nice long LTS with support for years. Their agile on security fixes. And they keep their repos pretty current.
My second choice would be Debian. They have an LTS service where people are only encouraged to pay. But imo their repos aren’t anywhere near as up to date.
I tried
I cannot downvote a GNOME lover
Nobara works ootb too if you ever want to try a fedora spin. they even have a separate installer for nvidia users.
Joke’s on you, downvotes aren’t a thing on my instance, you’ll take my upvote and you’ll like it
I’ve always admired Ubuntu for making installing nVidia driver pretty painless.
I don’t know nVidia gpu you have, but I’m looking at immutable distros and I found Aurora, (based on Fedora Kinonite). Before I even downloaded the iso, they asked if I had an nVidia chipset and which one. I simply selected the driver for my older 1650 chipset and they automatically added the correct driver into the iso. I installed it and everything was working properly on first boot.
It was without a doubt the most painless nVidia driver install I’ve ever had on ANY OS.
Trying to help with the downvote situation. Glad you decided on a distro that works for you and you’re not succumbing to the pressure.
I don’t even notice Debian, which is exactly how an operating system should work.
And yet…
I love this
Here’s the thing. When I talk to friends interested in Linux, it’s always Debian or Fedora that I suggest. I think they draw a good line for what the average user wants and needs and they’re stable. In fact, I used Fedora for a long time, and all my homelab stuff runs Debian. It wasn’t until computers themselves became a hobby that I switched to Arch. And I think that’s likely the cutoff. If you’re a computer user, stable distros are great. If you’re more a hobbiest… Well, the Arch wiki can own your free time.
Debian is where the jaded users end up when they lack the will to flash another usb stick.
“I’m good, fuck it.”
Sounds lovely for making a swiss-army-knife of distros.
NixOS has entered the chat
Normal distro -> arch -> gentoo -> nixOS -> QubesOS -> Debian pipeline.
The only problem with Debian is that I want packages from this century.
Thats what you think you want but by the time you’re at the end of the pipeline you just want a computer that works.
So far, that’s exactly why I’ve stopped at Nix.
Everything is declared exactly how I want it. If something would break, it just bails on the update. If I want to set up a new machine, I just clone my config and build it.
I’m not sure what could be more “just works” than that.
When I went 24.11 it exploded in some fantastic manner. None of my boot menu rollbacks worked. I spent a long ass time trying to recover the upgrade. I eventually realized it would be a lot faster to wipe, reinstall, re-import my old home and configuration.nix and I was back up.
25.05 didn’t even flinch, just worked.
Now I’m patiently waiting for postmarket to sort out LTE modems on phones before I buy an old pixel and install nixos on it :)
In my experience that means packages from this century. Eventually you do need a new software for something. Trying to get software from 10 years ago to agree with software released in the last 6 months leads to breaking things or finding myself doing Linux From Scratch on top of debian or ubuntu.
It turns out if everything is new everything really does just work. That’s why I use Artix (child of Arch). It’s less pain. You just have to ignore the myth that these systems are “hard.” Graphics cards and Steam work out of the gait. There is a reason why StreamOS is built on Arch.
No more compile hell in the rare case you need to compile because the AUR does the same thing, but in a single command line resolving all dependencies. It’s like compiling without the experience of compiling.
Just make sure you always
pacman -Syubeforepacman -S {package}. No exceptions. Or in rare cases you may have to chroot from a live disk andpacman -S linuxto fix your initramfs. If you do that one thing nothing ever breaks.
“Man I wish I could do more with my new computer” – Fedora
“Yeah I just want to breathe some new life into this old laptop and have it last me until the end of time” – Debian
I was a fedora boy until I met endeavoros and kde.
Now I’m a straight up hoe.
But are you a well loved and taken care of hoe? Cause you deserve to be.
Taking care of your hoes is an essential regular maintenance task for a healthy garden.
i was happy with Arch on my server.
then, i installed NixOS on it.
update: i’ve set it up to a usable state, it’s a minecraft server
Arch on my server
Sane people usually go bungee jumping or cave diving to get their irrational danger kicks.
Eh arch is perfectly stable for server use.
Can even get a debian experience by not updating ever.
I also use arch on my servers and it’s really stable. Until today that is. I updated one of my systems and it broke Nvidia docker runtime.
nvidia
I found your problem
Yes I know but I need Cuda :(
I find that questionable even for ml workloads but you do you. :)
Am I the only one that feels like saying “you do you” is more insulting then telling someone to just go fuck themselves and they are a raging idiot.
It just comes across as the most possible condescending possible response possible in the English language.
Been running my mail server on arch for six years and counting. Best decision given the circumstances!
Installing Arch on a server is certainly a choice
Somehow it never broke (1.5 years of usage). the reason i installed nix was because arch worked but felt too messy, full of random systemd services i made and put in random places
Mines running strong even through hardware changes for 6 years now
This is the way.
I have the same problem with NixOS and Debian.
Currently every family computer and server in the house runs Debian 12 as a base. But the urge to convert everything to Nix one day still tickles me, who knows someday…
I have Nix installs on two computers and have moved one of them twice to different hardware. Works, as it says, on the side of the tin.
BUUUUT… It’s a bear to get under control. It adds a lot complexity to things that should be simple, it makes some things nearly impossible, and then makes really hugely difficult things cake.
for example, one of a thousands things I want to do that’s easy
If I want to run parsec client. (there is no server available sadly)
nix search nixpkgs parsec
- legacyPackages.x86_64-linux.parsec-bin (150_97c) Remote streaming service client
nix-shell -p parsec-bin #ephemeral install, puts it in the store but only links it for this shell
done! Let’s start it!
parsec
parsec: command not found
parsec-bin
parsec-bin: command not found
parsec-client
parsec-client: command not found
google: nixos parsec
a million ways to run parsec but none from the package manager
google: nixos packages->https://search.nixos.org/packages
https://search.nixos.org/packages
parsec-bin
nothing about how to run it
but there are at least notes about how to install it permanently
so you plow through /nix/store looking for parsec, 4 minutes later
parsecd
they could have just included that in the docs, but nope…
Honestly, I really enjoy it, it feels like I’m in slackware back in the 90’s completely lost and confused learning everything new, and moving an install from box to box with a home directory sync and two files? chef’s kiss
Figuring out why a rebuild isn’t working is pain. Figuring out why an update won’t run, is pain.
ohh and you only get a month after a major release to install it before they stop putting in security updates for the previous version. And historically all the revisions before 25.05 were generally not just one and done. 24.11 ended up with me doing a wipe, fresh install, restoring my home folder and slowly easing parts of configuration.nix back in one rebuild at a time. but to be fair, they’ve been fighting wayland for a while now.
My desktops are Nix, my servers are Debian.
I tried three times. Failed 3 times.
And I started with Slackware in the 90s. I can handle jank.
But Nix really needs to take a clue from Arch on the documentation front…
I feel this way about hyprland…
Well you can just install that alongside your DE and try it out
I was thinking install KDE because of its theme modifications, still went with fedora because everyone works fine on my setup and I like the interface, it’s so different.
There’s a Fedora KDE flavour. I’ve been rocking it since 2020.
Yea I know, but I wanted the full fedora experience.
the right distro for you is whatever works for you. you don’t order a steak just because your friends get one, when you really want those succulent linguinis.
This comment just gave me a flashback to one of my first big business trips from almost 20 years ago for some training in another state.
I got fettuccine Alfredo (or linguine alfredo or whatever version that place had) at whatever nice restaurant we went to and they brought that shit out in a punch bowl!!
I remember it was good, I ate a lot, and that it didn’t feel great after. I cannot remember if I finished it though. There’s gotta be no way, but I do know back then at occasional large meals (everything from Thanksgiving down to business trips) I would eat like 3 times what I will now.
succulent linguinis
Dibs on band name
