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    Well, I for one installed Linux on my old surface book 2 yesterday, and my steam library works great on Linux. Even got better FPS.

    So I became a Linux gamer yesterday and am super happy

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    I have over 300 games installed and fully functional at least one from every year from 1989 to 2025. They all work. Some work better on Arch some (older 32 bit games from original CD) run better on Mint or wont install on Arch. Newer ones like Doom Dark Ages simply run better on Arch. Good luck installing DCS on Wayland though. Just dual boot an X11 focused distro and a Wayland focused one for best of both worlds. Windows hijacked my 25+ year old Hotmail account with their OneDrive ransomware and took my Linux EFI boot partition with it when it was promptly uninstalled. Every single game that is exclusive to Windows is a virus just like the OS that they run on. All cartooned out and loaded with microtransactions and invasive anti cheats. Ew. I would rather compute on a Texas Instruments calculator than install the Windows virus ever again. Id rather draw numbers in the sand than use one of their nasty products or play one of their ugly mass marketed games for dummies. Just absolutely wretched. X670E Creator Wifi, 7950x, 4080 Super, 64GB RAM, 1200W PSU, 4tb Samsung 9100 Pro gen5 nvme, 2x 2tb 990 Pro game drives, Arch and Mint share game drives and run the same files through Steam, Lutris, etc.

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    switched to arch 7 or so months ago because of the recall spyware breaking the camels back. havent looked back since, i shouldve switched sooner i actually like using my computer now!

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      Roughly the same for me. I couldn’t use Windows 11 on my old one and certainly wasn’t going to put it in my new one. Gaming has been a breeze too, much easier than I was led to believe.

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    At this point it is just easier to play 90% of my Steam library on Linux. Maybe it’s different for NVIDIA cards, but with AMD Microsoft is constantly trying to automatically installing old drivers and breaking things. No amount of registry edits seems to stop it. Hell, I had to open the command line just to install Windows with a local account only. Meanwhile, Linux is just click and play now.

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      @DelnitaCrane @mesamunefire The ONLY issues I’ve ever had with gaming on Linux was with x11 WM’s and that’s ONLY because my stupid Rog Strix is dual AMD/Nvidia and it doesn’t play nice with x11. Are there fixes for my issue? no. why? because I’m an idiot that decided to buy a laptop with dual AMD/Nvidia.

      On Wayland it works fine.

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    Fuck windows, and copilot, and recall, and most especially OneDrive, and start menu ads, and unnecessary upgrades and … And … I gotta say I’m so much happier on Ubuntu, took me a little googling on some stuff and proton is still finicky sometimes, but man o man is it nice to have an OS which does what I tell it to.

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    I think it’s important to point out that the percentages are not necessarily that meaningful. If more people are using steam deck and ditch their windows PCs for it, it’s not an OS choice. It’s a choice to move to consoles. Additionally, steam deck also competes with traditional console brands (PS, Xbox, switch) and might take some market share there as well, so that even if no one ditched their windows PCs, the total number of users using goes up and hence, the percentage.

    I haven’t had a steam deck in my hands, but I guess that it doesn’t need the user to understand the underlying system at all. It can be used by the same unskilled people who use android or iPhone. So, one core requirement I think people need to have to install any other os is not met or even trained, which is actual knowledge about computers.

    The reports about “increase in market share of Linux user’s” is from my point of view, which is “I think it would be great if people would ditch windows and office” just a market bit. Useful but ultimately little meaningful.

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      Mhm, fair point. Although… I would say the steam deck’s popularity and proof of viability as a gaming device is doing an immense amount of work on its own. I built a gaming PC ~2 years ago, and even as a long time developer and someone comfortable with a UNIX terminal I opted to get a copy of Windows for gaming, and had to awkwardly get to grips with it and find tools to get it playing the way I wanted.

      It’s only ~1 month ago that the prevalence and maturity of the steam deck (combined with Windows recall re-emerging🤮) finally had me at ease enough to give Bazzite a shot, and since jumping myself and expressing how happy I am with it, 2 of my long term “on the fence” friends have asked me questions and are starting to try Linux themselves.

      Larger Linux market share, regardless of how it gets there, gives broad confidence in Linux, and also pushes developers and Steam itself to maintain Linux support and tools like Proton, which reinforces the cycle, even if it doesn’t help us “kill Windows” for as long as users don’t understand how to install it.

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      Perhaps the steam deck is a gateway drug for desktop linux?

      The gaming industry will never recover when valve gets picked clean by the capitalist vultures that continously circle it.

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        The PS3 also ran on Linux and allowed users to boot into full desktop Linux. Didn’t exactly lead to the Year of the Desktop Linux, did it?

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      If more people are using steam deck and ditch their windows PCs for it, it’s not an OS choice. It’s a choice to move to consoles.

      They might have as well moved to Windows handheld or Nintendo Switch. They specifically chose the only Linux handheld on the market.

      [Steam Deck] can be used by the same unskilled people who use android or iPhone. So, one core requirement I think people need to have to install any other os is not met or even trained, which is actual knowledge about computers.

      Why is this a core requirement with Linux only? There are millions and millions of Windows users who have never installed an OS. Sounds gatekeeping to me.

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        They might have as well moved to Windows handheld or Nintendo Switch. They specifically chose the only Linux handheld on the market.

        No, they chose a Steam console. A device with the same high convenience and low bar of entry as any other console, but with their (almost) whole Steam library on it.

        Why is this a core requirement with Linux only? There are millions and millions of Windows users who have never installed an OS. Sounds gatekeeping to me.

        Because conciously choosing and installing Linux is currently the requirement to run Linux on your PC.

        If I go to the local electronics store I can pick up a Windows, MacOS or ChromeOS device that has everything pre-installed: OS, drivers, dependencies, all setup for instant usage.

        And if I don’t even know what an OS is, I’ll get a Windows PC recommended by the sales people at said electronics store.

        That kind of user experience is usually not available for prospective Linux users.

        Unless they buy a Steam Deck, which is pretty much the only native Linux PC that’s popular enough that a non-tech person would know it.

        (Technically stuff like Tuxedo and Framework exist, but they are pretty unknown.)

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    Fuck microsoft. Fuck the Idea that everything needs to make a profit. Essential stuff should be publicly owned.

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      I want to nationalize seashores. It’s unfair rich people privatized entire coastline.

      Same with natural resources. WTF are they owned by corpos? Anything mined and drilled should be owned by all citizens

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          We have the same “loop hole” around here.

          People started doing protests by sun bathing in front of the rich folks gardens.

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        I want to nationalize seashores. It’s unfair rich people privatized entire coastline.

        Make them rentable. I want a private piece of seashore for vacation. But nobody should be able to own it for life.

        Same with natural resources. WTF are they owned by corpos? Anything mined and drilled should be owned by all citizens

        as sad as it is, that failed miserably in the soviet union. The soviets initially had way better computer but because all industry was publicly owned noone competed and noone bought computers which is why they fell behind the US.

        There is a sensible middle ground that allows for the pressure-driven innovation of capitalism without its extreme and unfair exploitation. We just have to find it.

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          I disagree. Soviets were busy recovering from WW2 for decades while funding own allies. They were not in the position to splurge on non necessities.

          But even with that - they supplied entire population with oil, gas, electric no problems. Utilities barely cost anything even in modern russia

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            In the USSR, private plots owned by collective farm families, averaging 0.25 hectares in area, provided 30% of meat, vegetables and milk, 33% of eggs, and 59% of potatoes in 1979.

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              Bet the land was taken better care of when its a family that owns it compared to some minimum wage workers hired by a mega farm.

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                Yes, although I was referring to the fact that every experiment in collectivized agriculture in the 20th century boils down to: A minuscule percentage of the plots were left to private initiative and those plots account for the majority of the total output.

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          Make them rentable. I want a private piece of seashore for vacation. But nobody should be able to own it for life

          Bro, that’s even worse.

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            how would that be worse?

            everyone has the possibility to get to vacate on a private piece of seashore but noone gets to hog it and keep it from everyone else.

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              Commidification of nature is bad, mkay. I’d rather see beaches be labeled as public property, like in Oregon, Hawaii, or even Texas.

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    People don’t have a choice. Microsoft made W11 incompatible with a lot of hardware and Microsoft said, “lol, buy new hardware”

    Giving nary a single fuck about whats best for their users.

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      It is sad to see Windows get torn apart by Microsoft.

      You don’t have to like it but most people know how to use it

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        No, they don’t, never have, and never will.

        I would be surprised if ‘most people’ nowadays even knew what the ‘Internet icon’ does, since it’s not a logo of Facebook/Instagram/TikTok…

        Even before phones, people could open a browser and perhaps browse pictures.

        The Office Suite is next level, attained by relatively very few.

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      I still run Windows on a rarely-used old laptop. Every time I use it, it reminds me how much that’s true.

      • Forcing you to reboot to install updates, sometimes interrupting a download or something just because it knows best
      • Ads creeping in all over the place
      • More and more “features” you don’t want and never asked for
      • AI being shoved in your face
      • Surveillance everywhere
      • Constantly trying to push you to use “Edge” instead of your chosen browser
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        It does, like any good relationship, need some work. I have been using Mint as my main driver for the last couple of months, and even being a beginner friendly Linux it still needed some time to learn and google around. Now that it’s set up i haven’t run into anything for a long while.

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    This is me. Always Windows for my gaming computer and when I built a new one recently, I went full Linux. No regrets so far.

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        Bazzite.

        I found it really easy to get started with. Although I’d recommend KDE over Gnome. I tried Gnome for a few hours before changing my mind and it was just a little too different from what I was used to.

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          I’m used to Debian so I prefer Gnome, but either way, congrats on being more skilled with Bazzite than JayZTwoCents!

          Here’s your commemorative psuedo gem!

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          if you miss iphone + cydia, gnome + extensions is max dopamine, plus with arcmenu (customizable start menu, many presets) and dash to panel (panel like windows/kde) it’s basically like any other de.

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          Gnome is great on laptops, specially touchscreen enabled ones.

          Though with extensions you can get it to behave very similar to KDE

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          The current gnome (3) is very different from previous versions. You might like a modern fork of gnome, like mate. Don’t let something that has a gnome connection turn you off right away if all you’ve seen is gnome 3.

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              if on cachyos you get like 12+ de options which is nice when initially testing them all out, just demo each for a while

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                Thats neat, I didn’t know that!

                Yeah, a benefit of arch based distros is that they are much, much more customizable than other OSs… downside of that though is that there are a whole lot more bugs that can happen, whole lot more crazy custom solutions that may need to be figured out.

                I’ve not used Cachy, but I have used Arch before… if the Cachy people can figure out a way to keep all that just generally more stable, honestly kudos to them!

                Bazzite basically narrows its official support scope so they can focus on a feature set that ‘just works’… I am sure I could figure out how to torture a Bazzite install to work with a non KDE / Gnome DE, but it would be a lot of work.

                Or maybe it could set it up with the built in distrobox/distroshelf tools? Not sure, never futzed with a different DE in a distrobox.

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          That’s honestly the way. Bazzite just works without tinkering. It doesn’t eat into your game time with debugging. Plus KDE is very Win10 like, so it’s all just familiar and easy.

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            I’m glad Bazzite is what it is, but I’m hoping some of y’all get interested in other distros in the next few years. There’s several great options out there (and I don’t want to say … have everyone wind up on Ubuntu flavors and be having the same conversation about corporate overreach in a decade with Canonical as the new Microsoft)

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              Eh, I already have a decent amount of skill with running other distros headless. When it’s gaming time I prefer a solution that just works 99% of the time.

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              have everyone wind up on Ubuntu flavors and be having the same conversation about corporate overreach in a decade with Canonical as the new Microsoft)

              Bazzite is Fedora based, not Ubuntu.

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                Yes, I know - but my concern is eventual capture, like Microsoft has done to GitHub or how IBM is ‘partially closing’ RHEL’s source code. My point is that off were all in one basket (Bazzite) it’s easier to be taken over and reigned in. Bazzite is fine, but I hope is not the only distro all the influx of Windows users settle on. There’s a wealth of great projects - Garuda for example is a great gaming Linux distro.

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              Bazzite exists because of SteamOS, and SteamOS is Arch-based. If there’s a danger of one OS starting to dominate, I’d still think SteamOS is more likely because it has Valve’s backing.

              I don’t think there’s much danger of all other distributions disappearing any time soon, even for gaming applications.

              What I hope is that container-based atomic-type distributions take off. I’ve been using Linux for decades, and it’s such a nice change to have an OS where I don’t have to fiddle with drivers or the base OS.

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        Look at the desktop environment first. KDE is like Windows. GNOME is like MacOS.

        Then look at some videos about how to get your GPU working on a distro you’re interested in if you have an Nvidia card. AMD GPU works out of the box.

        I would recommend OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. Excellent implementation of KDE, GUI tools to do advanced things, rolling release (i.e. constantly up to date) but also thoroughly tested. Rolls back easily if something gets messed up. This gave me the least problems starting and I stuck with it for over a year. It was great.

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        I recently switched and have distro hopped a bit, landing on CachyOS which I feel I’ll stick with for a while (though I’m very indecisive and a small part of me wants to change over to Arch). CachyOS is based on Arch but with more ease of use stuff on top, especially for gaming (they have a gaming bundle which is just one command and you’re good to go), plus I’ve heard it’s the fastest or one of the fastest out there. Bazzite is also great (Fedora-based), which I used for a bit, but I started to get into using the command line more and found immutability to be annoying. It does mean it’s harder to fuck up though, but I don’t really care if I break my machine (you probably won’t break your machine regardless, that’s mostly sarcastic). Pop_OS! (Ubuntu-based) is also supposed to be good for gaming but I haven’t tried it. Keep in mind, if you plan on doing more than gaming and decide to use the command line for downloading, most download guides out there assume you’re using something based on Ubuntu or Debian (you’ll see a lot of “sudo apt install _____”), for better or worse. If you scroll down a bit you’ll probably find stuff for Fedora and/or Arch but not always. That doesn’t mean you can’t get the program on those distros, just that you’ll have to either know where to look or download a different way, such as from a digital storefront or manually from the website of the program you’re getting. I’m still a beginner actively trying to get better, but these are all things I would’ve liked to know when I made the switch a little while ago. Another thing to keep in mind is Linux and Nvidia don’t quite get along as well as AMD or Intel. I have an Nvidia card and both CachyOS and Bazzite had no issues, but for whatever reason Mint didn’t like to run steam games, no matter what I did. I made sure to have all the drivers downloaded and looked up a bunch of guides but I never got it running properly. Bazzite just worked straight out of the box, and CachyOS works even better for me after a little tinkering. If you have any questions, I just recently was where you are now so I might have more relevant advice, though I’m certainly no expert. But I’d be happy to help.

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          Once you know the equivalent commands to search, install, remove, … packages in your distro, problem solved.

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            Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it’s impossible, just that if someone doesn’t care to learn, it might be more straightforward for them to chose something that uses apt. I’m a beginner and I use pacman no problem, but I’m willing to learn. Lots of folks aren’t.

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          For anyone reading this: immutable does not mean you cannot use the command line, and you cannot tinker. It’s just different, and you will need to learn a few new commands, etc.

          Additionally, Bazzite comes with Distrobox where you can literally install any software on any distro (including AUR if you want). There’s almost no limits.

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            I should’ve clarified that in my comment, you’re correct. I wasn’t trying to imply it wasn’t possible, just that a lot of people don’t care to learn new things and just want things to work like they’re used to, and the odd time they need to use the command line, it might be more straightforward if they aren’t using something immutable, for better or worse. Immutable has the upside of being harder to fuck up for newbies though.

            I didn’t know about Distrobox, that’s really cool actually. I’m content with Cachy but if I went back to Bazzite I’d be looking into using that for sure.

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          exactly what I ended up on with exactly the same issues with Mint (and Zorin as well). Cachy and Bazzite just worked (bazzite didn’t work on live image though), but yeah Mint just didn’t work.

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          honestly i see pacman/yay just as much as I see other stuff when looking at instructions, (paru is pacman/yay in cachyos for that stuff, pacman in cachyos is their own repos)

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            Cachyos is great if you want access to everything, debtap for the rare ocassion you need to install a deb, can install snaps and flatpak support easily, but you don’t really need to mess with all that, mostly everything is available with aur + flathub (have to do one terminal line since cachyos doesn’t have it by default)

            Bazzite does have bazaar by default, which i like as the best flathub appstore, aur version stopped working for me.

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              oh and gearlever to update appimages and make desktop files so it shows up in menus, i only use this for shutter encoder right now

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        I just wanted to drop in and say I use Arch btw… lol, there multiple things to suit your use cases, Linux has a few gaming flavors.

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        I started work Bazzite but didn’t want to be immutable. Then I switched to Garuda. Both have been super easy.

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      Same. Overall it’s been a great experience, but it’s had a few issues. Nothing making me even consider going back though

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      Switched to Linux Mint a couple of weeks ago. Been playing games for 30 years on windows. So far so good. Played The Drifter through Heroic without issue. Great game btw.

      Got an 1080ti. I hope I won’t run into to many issues.

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    I liked the comment going “Steam doesn’t have data on PC gamers, only Steam gamers.”, hinting at the seven gamers that stubbornly refuse to use Steam and still hunt for CDs, or old archives of shareware. They are people too dammit!

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      Came here to 2nd GOG, but there are a few other storefronts with their own game launchers & DRM similar to Steam (Ubisoft, Epic). Humble Bundle provide (sometimes a choice of) GOG/Epic/Steam keys depending on the game, and they also have a collection of DRM-free games you can download directly.

      Still, seven CD-ROM game hunters is probably a good estimate…!

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      I just had to change my expectations a bit (which might be a lot for some), but the end result is pretty good.
      Always having bad Ping times in multiplayer games, helped out a lot with it.

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          No.

          The internet in my country has high ping all over the place.
          So I never had a good enough experience with Online Multiplayer games for them to keep me on Windows.


          I wasn’t playing online games most of the time anyway, before switching to Linux.

          I do play Elite: Dangerous, but that works pretty fine even with bad pings and it works very well on Linux.

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    The change is even more dramatic if you consider only those users who use English as their language in Steam. Also, Linux adoption rate has sped up this year. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/steam-tracker/ collects various data about Steam usage. One of the charts (screenshot below) show Linux market share among Linux/English users and overall Linux market share. I added the red line to demonstrate how I see the growth. There’s only few data points this side of the year, so my drawing is most likely wrong, but the growth starts around March. The green line is at 4.8% in January and February and 6.31% in July, so a nice 30% increase within about 6 months among Linux/English users.

    EDIT: The post is now more in line with reality. Couple more data points:

    • Linux market share among all Steam Linux users has gone from 2.06% in January to 2.89% in July. That’s a 40% increase within the first seven months only. And as another commenter said, the growth rate might increase towards the end of the year as more people starts abandoning Windows 10.
    • The same numbers for last year are 1.95% in Jan '24 and 2.08% in Jul '24, which is only a 6% increase.
    • But because the data is a bit jumpy, if I use approximate values of 1.75% for Jan '24 and 2.05 for Dec '24, the Linux market share increased by 17% in the entire last year.
    • I’ll stop now.
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      Considering how people love to delay things until the last minute, I expect it’ll sharply rise in October.

      I know this because I’m one of those people. Linux on several PCs and servers for years, but I’ve been too lazy to format & rebuild my gaming PC to get it off win10 and onto Linux.

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      I run Linux in English (because translated Unix looks weird) even though I’m not in or from an English speaking country. Sorry for skewing the stats.

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        Thou shalt not be forgiveth! /jk

        I might have slightly misunderstood what the information is about, but I also worded things in a wrong way. I edited the post to be more in line with reality, and added some more data points.

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      Could it be that Steam overcounts the users? I mean if you have a Steam Deck, do you now count as a Linux user, thus diluting the Windows share, even though you’re still (also) using Windows?

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        It is capitalism man, you vote with your vallet. If you have 2 devices (you spent money twice) you count twice.

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        It’s based on devices. But, I wouldn’t consider it as diluting the Windows share. A user might have any combination of devices. Maybe they have PS5 as their home gaming device and Deck as their handheld device. They could also have Windows PC and Nintendo Switch. Or maybe they have Mac laptop and Linux desktop. I for one belong to the Linux desktop and Steam Deck camp. Steam Survey only tells how many Windows, Linux and Mac devices Steam users use, but, for example, not how many hours each type of device is used.

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    The July 2025 data shows that Windows’ market share on Steam dropped by 0.44% while Linux’s market share grew by 0.32%.

    While okay this is growth, it’s not exactly meteoric. Hopefully the trend picks up steam (cough) as the win10 EOL approaches.

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      Well uh… if that is month to month growth…

      A year at .32% growth works out to about 4% growth, if that is rate is sustained for a year.

      That would be roughly a doubling of linux marketshare in a year.

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      Lots think the gamers will switch over as win10 gets to EOL. I don’t think so. Most gaming machines need to be more modern tomsupport modern games, so they will likely stick with windows and move to win11. I think Linux has a chance to convert many with older PCs, but they won’t be the gamers.

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          I’m a gamer but on console. My PCs are all older so I use Linux on some of them…one still has windows for work software…it’s glitchy enough on Windows so I haven’t even tried wine.

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        This is just wrong. All modern hardware will work on an equally modern kernel.

        However when it comes to games, some competitive multiplayer games that require kernel level rootkits might not run on Linux if the developers think gaming on Linux is cheating.

        I always suggest cross referencing protondb with you game inventory to see if you would have any issues

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          No, you’re misunderstanding. Linux supports new and old. Windows only supports newish. Gamers are more likely to be on newer hardware and so the end of win10 will still allow them to upgrade to win11. They won’t have obscelecence. Older PC users will have forced obsolescence due to win 11 requirements and the eol of win10.

          So, while I expect Linux use to rise with the end of win10, it won’t be mainly gamer PCs. Gamers with a steam deck, already familiar with Linux might be included but that’s a tiny demographic.

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            I think you underestimate the share of gamers that stick with hardware for quite a few years. I maybe I overestimate them. but I think there are tons of people who have computers not eligible for win11

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              I agree with this and would also like to add the current economic situation to the list. People have less disposable income to spend on buying a brand-new computer just because Windows says so. Especially outside of North America and Europe, people are much more likely to be running hardware that’s multiple generations behind the latest hardware. I believe Windows 7 still holds the majority of installs currently in use, and end of life for that was 5 years ago.

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        Hell I switched to Linux specifically because I refused to get W11. I do have to agree with you though, the average gamer probably won’t switch to Linux unfortunately.

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          This is exactly how it’s going for me. I’ve been simply too lazy to move everything, test it all, and probably do it all over a couple times to find the distro I actually like.

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          They most certainly will not switch (or switch and not decide to go back after a few weeks) with the timing of the release of Battlefield 6, which requires Windows. It’s an EA game, so I’m not touching that, but they’re doing a lot of marketing and it’s working.

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        I’m personally strongly considering switching when support for Windows 10 ends. I actually started testing the waters by installing Mint on an old netbook today. I game on PC, but the truth of why I’m considering changing is because I’m just sick of the crap with windows. Every new edition is just bigger, slower, filled with more bullshit. I’m just getting tired of disabling all the shit they want to force on me. I’m sure I’m not the only one, but of course this is just my personal experience.

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      Relative, it is. Going front 2% to 2.32% (for example) is pretty good, though I don’t know where these numbers come from because the latest I saw had Linux at about 5%, and growing by something like 50-100% per year (for a year). Sure, the total number compared to Windows looks small, but compared to where it was it’s growing incredibly quickly.

      Edit: Someone said that was monthly, in which case yeah, that’s pretty fucking big.

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      I dunno .32% in a single month seems pretty significant. Obviously it’s not like Windows is going to go the way of the dodo but it’s looking like Linux may be taking a permanent piece of the pie where it had no staying power before.

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        I hate to say it, but it’s literally PewDiePie recording a video and showing young gaming fans Linux and calling it “cool”. That’s it. The guy’s got 110M subscribers.

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          Maybe. But so what? Pewdiepie wouldn’t have made the video if windows didn’t have serious problems, and if Linux wasn’t an incredibly good kernel to build an OS on.

          That video highlighted that you don’t have to be technical to use Linux, it’s here, and it’s ready for mass adoption.

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      It’s about half a million active users. So, yeah, a tiny city’s worth.

      Though things often start snowballing this way and Windows 10 end of life is likely see see a jump.

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      Actually, it is meteoric.

      Linux’s market share didn’t grow by 0.32%, it grew by 0.32 percentage points. It actually grew by 12.5% month-over-month. That huge. It went from 2.57% to 2.89%, which is only an increase of 0.32 percentage points. But that’s because the starting value is such a small percentage. But, the number itself grew by about 12.5%:

      2.57 * 1.125 = 2.89

      If it could keep up this month-by-month growth it would go from 2.57% to over 10% within 1 year. If it could keep it up for 2 years Linux would be nearly half of all Steam users.

      On one hand, I don’t think that would happen because the people making the switch now are early adopters and more adventurous users, so at some point it’s going to slow down. On the other hand, I think adoption will speed up at some point once there’s a critical mass of Linux users and Valve and nVidia start putting even more effort into Linux builds.

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        I think we’ll see a bump in users centred around October, since that is when MS had announced support for Windows 10 ended. They have recently announced that you can (maybe) get into the Extended Security Updates program for a year for free, but that’s perhaps too little too late.

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          If there’s any company that can make money from users installing Linux instead of Windows, that October deadline is a great time for a publicity blitz.

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      Not arguing with your choice (props actually, I respect the switch) but it is possible to get a legit grey market key for w11 Pro for a lot less. I think I got mine for $20-30 in early 2024?

      Edit: I should have noticed I was in the Linux group before I posted that, I thought I was still in the gaming one I guess! Not advocating windows to anyone, it’s a terrible OS. But some people might need it for some things so I figured I’d share information that might help someone save a bit of money if they did. (Yes, there are other ways around that.)

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        And then you have to continously fight it because it switches your default browser to edge or starts showing you ads out of the blue or record your screen every second or whatever the fuck those greedy bastards think of doing next…

        Noooo fucking thanks, I switched to Pop for a year now and I’m not going back ever.

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          Even with Windows Enterprise, I don’t trust Microsoft to not spy on me and fuck with my control over the machine. If it weren’t for that, I wouldn’t be planning on switching over to Arch SteamOS Desktop when it releases.

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            I’ve used Enterprise IoT for a while, which is supposed to be the cleanest possible build of Windows (except for the Chinese government special one) and that STILL somehow managed to introduce ads after updates, reset settings, force me to use the GameBar, and so on.

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              Yup. Just last night, my machine decided to reboot itself without permission. I want to do updates on my timetable - that means backing up my passwords and bookmarks, figuring out what third-party things I want to update like my GPU, and preparations. Being forced to update also makes me feel extremely distrustful of MS, especially since they plan on having AI to take pictures of our activities. I enjoy LOTS of hentai, and feel that it is likely for MS to give the Trump Regime dirt on people.

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            Just switch. SteamOS is specifically designed for the Deck, and other handhelds. It doesn’t do anything special outside of defaulting to a handheld friendly view that you can’t get in another distro. I would say it’s probably going to be worse than one designed for desktop, if you’re putting it on a desktop. Bezzite is pretty much the same as what SteamOS will be (with the option of desktop or handheld mode at install I think). Garuda and CachyOS are great for gaming if you want a distro that isn’t immutable. They come with everything you’ll need for gaming.

            It’s trivial to set up. Just switch. Stop creating an excuse to wait. SteamOS isn’t special, unless you are putting it on a handheld potentially.

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                Yeah, but it doesn’t do anything special. Sure, it’s pretty much guaranteed to work for the Deck, but other than that you don’t get anything out of it that you can’t get elsewhere. There’s no special sauce that Valve puts in. The only thing they put in that’s special is Proton, except the contributions are open source and freely available everywhere.

                All distros are supported by some group. Valve isn’t particularly special in that, except it isn’t their specialty like other distro maintainers.

                If you’re switching to Linux to avoid a huge corporation then you should do that —and Valve is a pretty damn large corporation. Sure, they’re doing good things now, but people would have said the same thing about MS at some point in time. Don’t build them up into something else. Use the best option, not just following some brand loyalty for no good reason.

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                  Sure, but Valve specifically have a focus on a gaming experience, so if your focus is gaming, there’s a good chance steamOS will provide timely fixes and updates.

                  Again, I don’t disagree with the general sentiment of your reply, and I wouldn’t personally bother waiting for steamOS, but there are valid reasons to want to specifically choose steamOS

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        You can get it for tree from them directly. They don’t care about that upfront cost. They make money off your data.

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          I don’t doubt it, but do you happen to have a source?

          The only plus side I guess is I only use that computer for a bit of gaming and not for anything else, and i did manage to turn of automatic updates before they AI-ified everything. If I had more time and energy in my day I’d dual boot it, maybe some day.

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                Just so you’re aware, it’s super easy. You can even leave your Windows drive(s) the same if you want too if you’re up for buying a new drive. Linux can access the data fine —though probably not the other way around, depending on the format of your Linux drive(s). I have a drive that’s mostly media from back when I used Windows that just works like any other, but a worse format but that hardly matters.

                If you’re a gamer, Garuda, CachyOS, or Bezzite are good and take minutes to set up, and come with everything you need out of the box. Bezzite is immutable, so it’s harder to mess up, but it also limits what you can do (which probably doesn’t matter for you). If you do need help, which you probably won’t because it’s easier than installing Windows, you can ask and plenty of people will volunteer.

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                  Thanks! I’ve actually done it before back in the days when Mint was quite new,and I’m a programmer by trade (although mostly on Mac) so I’m not too worried about it, but I don’t have a second drive (and don’t really want one given a 2TB NVME drive) so I’d want to do all the backups first, at least for important stuff like my friend and I’s Minecraft server. For a computer I barely use it hasn’t felt worth it. Most of my computer time (outside of work) is on my Mac laptop.

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        I’d rather buy a high end noctua fan for my CPU then spend $30 on a windows license. Although I have bought those in the past.

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        I’ve never needed to activate windows on any of my computers since I just prefer Linux. But the gray market seems scary to me with the possibility of the key coming from a stolen card victim’s wallet.

        Is there any reason a non-dirty key would be available on the market? Does Microsoft do promotions or deals like that?

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          A ton of them apparently come from regional pricing, or from keys purchased by businesses. Windows offers volume licensing where you can buy bulk keys at a steep discount, basically. The business might not use all of them, and then they turn around and resell them. That’s technically against the terms of the license, but afaik Microsoft has never bothered to enforce that.

          I’ve also heard people will take the Windows keys off of older OEM towers and resell them. I have no idea how true that is, but it would also be against their terms.

          It’s not exactly likely, but Microsoft could probably just deactivate all of those keys at once if they decided to.

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          Microsoft doesn’t give a shit to stop it, because they profit off your data. They give it away for free themselves. They don’t care how you get it if you are on their system, and then they do everything they can to trap you. They don’t make their profit from key sales.

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          Those are good questions that I don’t have the answers to. Although from the research I did at the time it seems most likely they were purchased with regional pricing in a lower price region.

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          You aren’t taking anything from anyone. It’s just an algorithmically generated activation.

          This is so easy it’s kinda nuts, and there are multiple methods to activate. All you should need for Windows these days.

          https://massgrave.dev/