• disregardable@lemmy.zip
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    At this point we are literally better off if he’s playing golf rather than making any decisions. The real question is why are republican voters not recalling their senators for not impeaching him.

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    Same reason a pigeon stomps all over the board and knocks over pieces when you challenge it to a game of chess. It doesn’t care about the pieces. Trump doesn’t care about the pieces on the board. He’s just looking to cause the most damage and make the most money he can. He wants to go down in history and doesn’t care if he’s hated.

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    Optics aren’t great and it’s not like he has qualified people helping but honestly, I still think I want Donald as far away from a problem as possible just so he can’t make it even worse.

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    This situation pisses me even more than when I saw George W. Bush sitting in that Florida classroom on September 11, 2001. After being told that a second plane had hit the World Trade Center, he just continued listening the kids read ‘Kite must hit steel.’ He sat there, seemingly unfazed, as if it were normal for a U.S. president to hear about such a catastrophic attack and not react immediately. And now, here we are again, what the hell is Trump doing playing golf while the global economy collapses?

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      Okay, so Bush was there because of 9/11. It’s not that the government knew about 9/11 in advance and got POTUS out of the area. It’s that the government gets hundreds/thousands of threats a day, and that one was credible enough they got Bush out of town just to be safe. Then, when it happened, Bush didn’t react because he was in a classroom full of kids and he did not want to upset them.

      I’m not saying Bush was a saint, he wasn’t, but a couple things he did weren’t as bad as people think. That’s what that was. As for the “you don’t get fooled again” quote, he knew if he said “shame on me,” the Democrats would use the sound byte, and he was correct. So he course corrected. Made himself look like an idiot to prevent his opposition from making him look worse.

      Still a bad guy, but let’s be fair, especially with information we’ve learned since.

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        Blame him all you want for things he did, but trying to keep calm in that situation?

        If he had jumped up and left the room asap or maybe said a few words to end that event quickly and GTFO, he’d probably been criticized, too. Probably something about not being professional or whatever.

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        Why are you bringing all that up? I’m going to be annoyed at the situation whether or not the US government knew or was responsible for 9/11. Jumping to his defense seems the kind of thing a glowie would do.

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          You’re the one that brought up Bush and his reaction. If you can’t understand why someone would act like nothing was wrong in a room full of young schoolchildren, then you’re sure as hell not mentally prepared to make serious claims that someone’s a government plant.

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            I brought up Bush’s reaction as an example of leadership failure, to highlight how tone-deaf it is for leaders to act indifferent in a crisis, regardless of the reason. And it’s ironic you’re resorting to ad hominem attacks about my intelligence when that’s the weakest form of argument.

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              So, you still don’t understand why it wouldn’t be appropriate to react strongly in a room full of kids is what you’re saying.

              It’s not an ad hominem when calling out your inability to comprehend the reason for that is the entire point to my comment. It highlights a severe deficiency in your social awareness at the bare minimum, which doesn’t reflect well on your ability to discern the motives of other people online.

              Fine, let’s put that aside. In your eyes, what would have been an appropriate response for Bush to take in that situation? This ought to be entertaining.

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            In less terminally online terms: “I think they’re a member of a US intelligence agency doing some vaguely psyop thing, not a normal poster”

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      analyzing GWB’s misconduct in isolation is a mistake. prescott bush was a director at brown brothers harriman, which through union banking corporation financed nazi germany’s industrial buildup. u.s. authorities seized those assets in 1942 under the trading with the enemy act because the bank was tied to fritz thyssen, hitler’s primary corporate backer.

      in the late 1970s george w. bush’s arbusto energy got a $50,000 investment from james bath, the north american representative for salem bin laden (osama’s older brother) + khalid bin mahfouz, a major player in the bank of credit & commerce international (bcci).

      the carlyle group became the central intersection: george h.w. bush was a senior advisor + investor, while the bin laden family maintained a stake in the defense firm. that stake was reportedly sold days after 9/11.

      LEAKED FBI DOCUMENTS REVEALED intelligence agencies were told to “back off” investigating bin laden family members in the u.s. after bush took office. the former head of the american visa bureau in jeddah said he was repeatedly ordered to approve visas for unqualified applicants, noting “what i was doing was giving visas to terrorists, recruited by the cia + osama bin laden,” during the afghan war in the 1980s.

      while all commercial flights were grounded after 9/11, private planes evacuated roughly 142 saudis, including 24 bin laden relatives before the airspace fully reopened. fbi agents who had been tracking relatives in falls church, virginia (blocks from where four hijackers listed their address) were pulled off the case.

      bush + bin laden family members sat together on the carlyle group board while the attacks were being planned. it even came up in fahrenheit 9/11 (not fond of moore but I guess compared to hitlers he is alright)

      to look at how the global war on terror was constructed from these foundations, see this mronline piece.

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          Old bookmarks, archive.today won’t let me connect ┻━┻︵ (°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻

          are you really surprised wapo, bbc, HAARETZ, etc deeltes 9/11 articles to troll ME. plus I pulled many of the bookmarks from blogs in the first place lel, gimme a second

          went back and added articles I got the msm references from, it’s not crank shit this is all public read visas for al-qaeda (anna’s archive link), this is an embassy official dryly recounting how much was overlooked w the hijackers

          OMG DEMOCRACY NOW IS REMOVING THEM TOO THOSE SNAKES I FUCKING HATE AMY GOODMAN