• CorneliusTalmadge@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        6 days ago

        You are in luck because you can make this an alias (custom command) in your .bashrc file:

        alias update='sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'

  • CaptPretentious@lemmy.world
    11·
    7 days ago

    As someone who works on Windows daily… this is so true. One of the things that really annoys me with Windows is being able to reliably do updates. Running any of the update stuff, seems more like a suggestion and if Windows deems your request worthy, it might SLOWLY do something.

  • ian@feddit.ukEnglish
    5·
    6 days ago

    It’s clear why many Windows users won’t switch to Linux, when people show them they’d need to use strange IT tools to use it. While, annoying, Windows doesnt need you to be an IT nerd. Linux doesn’t either, but to people outside of the Linux bubble, this is how it gets presented. That Windows update sure looks easier than some manual hack.

      • ian@feddit.ukEnglish
        1·
        4 days ago

        To a non IT person who hasn’t heard of apt, needing to start the update manually, and needing type some magic words in precisely, is the worst it can get.

  • DevDave@piefed.socialEnglish
    5·
    6 days ago

    I have no artistic skills so freebie: Arch is like Russian roulette where the odds are good but there is still a non-zero chance some update is going to shit the bed. I don’t even know how to convey that in meme form either.

  • kionay@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    6 days ago

    The user interface on the left and the command prompt on the right does kinda highlight a barrier to mass Linux adoption.

    if we want more people on Linux let’s normalize not having to use the command line for everything.

    • sonofearth@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 days ago

      That is not the barrier. Most people stick to defaults and don’t know how to install an OS. When any person switches, they will try to learn an adapt. If it is a shitty experience, they will switch back to defaults. Updating your system through command line is not a shitty experience.

      • Meatwagon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        2·
        6 days ago

        Some of the gen zers I come across can’t even double click an icon on PC.

        There’s no reason not to have an update button somewhere.

        • sonofearth@lemmy.world
          2·
          6 days ago

          Absolutely but it is not easy. It needs to have several layers of abstraction by hiding what packages are being updated and auto approving themselves without prompting for password. There should be an automatic rollback mechanism in place in case an update goes bad. Some programs will need to auto-update themselves as users would expect like google chrome, firefox — which I don’t think we currently have other than steam. Otherwise if a person skips an update, they will leave their system vulnerable to the security bugs in browsers.

      • kionay@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 days ago

        That is not the barrier.

        who said there is only one barrier?

        they will try to learn an[d] adapt

        you will, sure, but no not everyone will. think less on tech savvy people and more on those that know that “the Internet is the big blue e when I turn on the computer (their monitor)”

        those people outnumber us tech savvy individuals at least two-to-one and they deserve an OS that is easier to use then memorizing command line commands

        • sonofearth@lemmy.world
          1·
          6 days ago

          Only tech savvy people will actually install an OS. Unless you put a “Install OS” button on the keyboard most people will never switch. So they will probably never use Linux because the idea of switching defaults is scary because it is not “officially supported” by the manufacturer. Using the terminal is not a big deal. Most people can learn and adapt very easily, it’s not rocket science. The official defaults mindset is a barrier.

          If we want Linux to grow, we need it to be installed by default on major hardware.

          deserve an OS that is easier to use

          Mint, Zorin, Ubuntu. They exist and have existed for a long time. They simply are not the default OS on any major piece of hardware.

    • regdog@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 days ago

      The left side says “Updates are happening, whether you want to or not” and the right side says “'Give me some updates, please”

  • iocase@lemmy.zip
    1·
    6 days ago

    I prefer Sudo Nala upgrade. It pulls updates before upgrading and does parallel downloads, saturating my 2GB download.

      • Ooops@feddit.org
        32·
        8 days ago

        Is it even apt-get still? thought they changed over to apt long ago and apt-get is just a symlink for legacy reasons.

        At least that’s what I last read… (speaking as someone also loving candy) .

          • MsFlammkuchen@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            29·
            8 days ago

            apt is meant more for user interaction and apt-get is more stable and more for scripting. But apt-get is often used in online tutorials because it doesn’t really change.

            • Tetsuo@jlai.lu
              22·
              8 days ago

              I think it wasn’t for APT but I once worked for a business with a lot of RHEL, the script that was updating hundreds of servers was using the user wrapper instead of the binaries. A warning was displayed in the script to warn not to use the wrapper for scripts.

              I warned my team leader of the issue and was completely ignored and was said that it was an issue for the team that made the script in the first place.

              I gave up.

              A few weeks later, the poorly designed script botched a major update on hundred of servers because the wrapper had a tiny change and the update script didn’t handle it well.

              It’s insane to me how much money a business can waste for stupid shit like that. The devs warned us not to use their wrapper to script on, the linux team did it anyway, my warning was ignored, many hours of engineers work was wasted fixing the chaos that ensued.